On 23/10/2014 13:37, Luca Martinelli wrote:
2014-10-22 15:48 GMT+02:00 James Heald
<j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk>uk>:
It's no problem if multiple redirects link to
the same place.
For example, on en-wiki, we have
Luke Havell (redirect) -> Havell family
Robert Havell (redirect) -> Havell family
Daniel Havell (redirect) -> Havell family
etc
It's no problem if we have different items
Q(Luke Havell) -> Luke Havell (redirect)
Q(Robert Havell) -> Robert Havell (redirect)
Q(Daniel Havell) -> Daniel Havell (redirect)
different items, for different people, sitelinked to different places on
en-wiki, that happen to be redirects.
While I can concur that we may need to have different items to link to
single members of a family, because of $good_reason, I do not see any
good reason to have redirects in those items, because of the example
that Nikola made:
2014-10-22 19:04 GMT+02:00 Smolenski Nikola <smolensk(a)eunet.rs>rs>:
Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) -> Coat of Arms of
Novi Sad -> Novi Sad
Q(something) -> Coat of arms of Novi Sad -> Novi Sad
Q(something) -> Coat of arms of novi sad -> Novi Sad
We *can* have different items with no links if this fulfils practical
needs, it's in [[WD:N]] since the beginning of the project (more or
less).
Nobody is questioning that we can have items for the likes of Luke,
Robert and Daniel Havell -- that has been clear from the start.
The question is whether we can sitelink those items to redirect pages on
some of the various wikis.
I think Nikola's example is overdone. Yes it is *possible* that
somebody might create a duplicate item, but people create duplicate
items at the moment. It's a question of having tools to identify them.
For Nikola's specific example, I think it is *unlikely* that anybody
would create a duplicate item for the coat of arms of Novi Sad, because
presumably people would look up the item for Novi Sad, and see that it
already had a value for P237 coat of arms.
The advantage of allowing sitelinks to redirects is that then people can
see links in Wikidata, or Reasonator, or the sidebar to whatever text
content Wikipedia has on them (which is why we have sitelinks), even if
that text content is not in an article of its own, but is contained
within another article. So -- for example -- people can then find (and,
if they wish, edit) text about different views on the exact family
relationship between Daniel Havell to the rest of the Havell family,
rather than just being presented with a list.
-- James.