Hello,
Can/should wiki subject indexes be a functional requirement of the wikidata
project, or of some other? I think navigating a wiki today without a subject
index is difficult, to say the least. A subject index seems such a critical
component for information libraries! WP's portals are a nice step but still,
users seem at the mercy of topical links inserted by authors of the portal.
How much better it would be to have a taxonomy of subjects that can be
associated with a page by ITS author so that the page can be found
independently of portals.
The semantics of SKOS, I suggest, should be baked in to wikis. I also
suggest faceted UDC [1] or similar inter/national classification scheme be
one of many that can be referenced by users when browsing any wiki. I
envision that Subjects would be defined in a namespace as fundamental to a
wiki as the Category namespace is. Basically, I can see requesting some
software to correlate my own subject taxonomy with interwikis' (WP's)
tasxonomies, so that I as a user don't have to manually search each
interwiki for content relative to my personal list of subjects.
Is this an idea before its time, something already considered, or something
to consider now?
Thanks for your thoughts. -- john
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Decimal_Classification
Just FYI: There is an interessting german article on Golem about
Wikidata:
http://www.golem.de/news/wikidata-eine-datenquelle-fuer-alle-sprachversione…
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Hello,
I am interested in contributing time to the Wikidata project. I'm CTO for a
consulting company in Ohio (USA), and come from a custom application
development background. I have a strong background in web applications and
relational databases, and have been recently working with non-relational
databases, mobile applications and distributed data tools (ie Hadoop).
I am relatively new to the semantic web area, but would like to find a way
to help with the project. It would seem logical to try to help with coding
and / or documentation type tasks, but I'm open to suggestions. I read
through the the project info and FAQs. Per
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/FAQ#How_can_I_get_involved.3F, I'm
asking how I can help.
-Tim Hoolihan
Twitter: thoolihan
Freenode: thoolihan
Hi all,
now, that the project starts (HURRA!!) I think that more postings will
be expected soon.
Any chance to add this mailinglist to Gmane?
Thanks a lot. Best regards
Raimond.
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On Mar 28, 2012, at 19:33 , JFC Morfin wrote:
> At 18:10 28/03/2012, Ivan Herman wrote:
>> Obviously, you all expect me to agree with Martynas, in view of my job, and I do:-). But I do not only because I work for W3C, but I indeed genuinely believe that reinventing things here may be way too costly on long term...
>>
>> Note also that W3C may start a new group later this year that would look at a 'lower' level HTTP protocol to manage (read and write) RDF data without necessarily using SPARQL. This may be useful for the project as well.
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 18:02 , Martynas Jusevicius wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > I've been reading some of the technical notes on Wikidata, for example
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nikola_Smolenski/Wikidata#Query_language
>
> I would suggest that at this stage we need to have a comprehensive understanding of all the possible options.
>
> 1.Has someone published as page listing the best *summary* documenting and argumenting each of the existing options. I suppose we will want a table indicating which existing solution answers which listed need?
>
> 2. Since we have a W3C expert: what is the best document/book to get a comprehensive and clear (not too massive) documentation on the semantic web?
>
The one which is probably closest to what WikiData would need is "Linked Data: Evolving the Web into a Global Data Space", by Tom Heath and Christian Bizer.
It is actually readable in HTML freely:
http://linkeddatabook.com/editions/1.0/
For a more complete list of books, see also
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Books
> 3. What are the relations with the JTC1/SC32/WG2? Is investing time in their documents appropriate?
Honestly, I do not know. The JTC1/SC32 has no link to WG2, and none of their documents are public:-(
Ivan
>
> Thank you!
> jfc
>
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Hi all,
Wikimedia Germany is sending out a press release about Wikidata today. The
press release sums up the information that has been published on Meta since
last Wikimania, where it has been first presented, and discussed and
refined since then, including information about the donation that is making
Wikidata possible.
<http://www.wikimedia.de/wiki/Pressemitteilungen/PM_3_12_Wikidata_EN>
We are very excited about the Wikidata development team starting on Monday.
This also means, that in the future we will be communicating about Wikidata
much more, as the development is finally starting. Yay!
I want to take this opportunity to thank the donors of Wikidata, the Allen
Institute of Artificial Intelligence ai2, the Gordon and Betty Moore
Foundation, and Google for the generous support, that enables us to work on
the Wikidata project for the next year.
Exciting times are waiting for us, Cheers all,
Denny
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Hey all,
I've been reading some of the technical notes on Wikidata, for example
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_modelhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nikola_Smolenski/Wikidata#Query_language
Statements like "[data model] similar to RDF, but allows qualified
property values" and "should there be a query language that will
enable querying of the data?" concern me a great deal regarding the
future of the whole Wikidata project.
It seems to me that whoever is making these technical decisions does
not fully realize the price of reinventing the bike -- or in this
situation, reinventing data models/formats/standards. Having designed
and implemented production-grade applications both on RDBMSs, XML, and
RDF, I strogly suggest you should base Wikidata on standard RDF.
I know some/most of you are coming from the wiki background which
might be hard to get over with, but if Wikidata is to become a free
and open knowledge base on the (Semantic) Web, then RDF is the free
and open industry standard for that. Whatever little advantage you
would get from developing a custom non-standard data model, think how
many man-years of standardization and tool development you would
loose. Isn't knowledge about standing on the shoulders of giants? RDF
has all the specifications, a variety of tools, and DBPedia as a very
solid proof-of-concept (which I also think should be better integrated
with this project) necessary to build Wikidata.
With SPARQL Update, full read/write RDF roundtrip is possible (and
works in practice). It also makes the notion of API rather obsolete,
since SPARQL Update (and related mechanisms) is the only generic
API-method one has to deal with.
To round up -- I think failure to realize the potential of RDF for
Wikidata would be a huge waste of resources for this project,
Wikipedia, and the general public.
Martynas
graphity.org
Hi, my name is Patricio Molina ([[user:Mahadeva]]) and I'm interested
in open data and the potential Wikidata project.
Some info about me:
* I edit Wikipedia since 2005
* I'm an administrator (bureaucrat/sysop) in the Spanish Wikipedia
since December 2006
* I have co-founded Wikimedia Argentina (WMAR) in 2007
* Member of the Board in WMAR (2007-2009 and 2011-2013)
* Member of Wikimedia Chile (WMCL) since its creation in 2011
* Working on the foundation of Wikimedia Bolivia (WMBO), alongside
[[meta:User:Alhen]], [[meta:User:Jduranboger]] and others.
* Elected member of Wikimedia Iberocoop, representing Wikimedia
Argentina since 2012
* Technical lead in WMAR, WMCL, WMBO and Wikimedia Iberocoop
* Longtime MediaWiki user, also participating in extension development
* I'm recently participating in the Open Knowledge Foundation's lists
I'll be pleased to give a hand in anything you need!
Cheers
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Patricio Molina
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