Heya folks :)
Over the last 2 days we worked on the data model for Wikidata. You can
find the current state at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model Please post any
good feedback you have.
This is a topic with a lot of bikeshed (http://bikeshed.com)
potential. Let's try not to bikeshed it to death ;-)
Cheers
Lydia
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I agree. I use digest mode, but still there are 5-10 mails. I would
prefer two mails at most in digest mode.
Sascha
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Is a mailing-list efficient to discuss the Wikidata
project?
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Hi Everyone,
I must agree that these emails are getting a bit overwhelming. I am not
even finding time to read more than 1 or 2 of them.
I think a forum would be very helpful to keep at the ideas organized.
Aniket
Dear all,
I would like to draw your attention to the latest international metadata standard from ISO (International Standardization Committee established by the United Nations in 1949):
ISO/IEC 19788, called MLR (= Metadata for Learning Resource, named for historical reasons but applicable for any resources).
MLR was developed and approved by the national delegations from all five continents after eight years of development and discussion in ISO committee SC36 (http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36).
It is completely compliant with Dublin Core (also adopted as ISO standard).
And only ISO (www.iso.org<http://www.iso.org>) can approve and publish official and de-jure standards at the international level.
The first three parts are published:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…
MLR is already adopted in many countries as national standards and used in implementations (mainly in Asia).
Currently the voting has been started in the European Standardization Committee CEN TC 353 (http://www.cen.eu/CEN/sectors/sectors/isss/Pages/CEN TC 353.aspx<http://www.cen.eu/CEN/sectors/sectors/isss/Pages/CEN%20TC%20353.aspx>) that MLR is adopted as European Norm (EN) by CEN, too.
Then MLR as EN will automatically withdraw all national metadata standards in Europe that are in conflict with MLR for harmonization across Europe.
I assume that after approval as European Norm the implementation of MLR will increase immediately in Europe, too.
Therefore I recommend to consider the usage and implementation of MLR as metadata standard for the metadata description of the data.
I hope that it helps for setting up Wikidata.
Thank you very much for your consideration and feedback!
Best wishes
Christian
With best regards
Christian Stracke
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Christian M. Stracke
Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
Chair CEN TC 353
HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
Information Systems for Production and Operations Management
Universitaetsstr. 9 (FB WIWI: ICB)
D-45141 Essen (Germany)
Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
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E-mail: Christian.Stracke(a)icb.uni-due.de
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eCOTOOL harmonizes competence models for European policies
http://www.ecompetence.eu<http://www.ecompetence.eu/>
WACOM for Water Competences in Europe
http://www.wacom-project.eu<http://www.wacom-project.eu/>
Q.E.D. supports quality and standards in e-learning
http://www.qed-info.de<http://www.qed-info.de/>
CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.sc36.org<http://www.sc36.org/>
Heya :)
I just published a blog post introducing the team that is employed by
Wikimedia Germany to develop Wikidata.
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2012/04/04/meet-the-wikidata-team/
Cheers
Lydia
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Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Eisenacher Straße 2
10777 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:58 AM, JFC Morfin <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> wrote:
> Lydia,
> Thank you for your answers. They help us better understand your project.
>
>
>> 2) Has this Wikidata project some Charter or terms of reference (TOR), or
>> dedicated web site, you could give the URL? http://wikidata.org is >
>> redirected to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> No
>
>
> Is one foreseen?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Requirements probably
comes closest to it now.
>> 5) What is the Wikidata's architectural framework? WDE (whole digital >
>> ecosystem)? Human communications? The Internet services? Users >
>> applications? Wikimedia?
>>
>> 6) What are the normative choices, strategic objectives and constraints
>> imposed by the sponsors and the WMF?
>> This is a really broad question ;-)
>> If you have more concrete questions I can try to find answers.
>
>
> Conformance in terms of metadata registries standard?
>
> Also, I do not find back the page where the two technical responsibles of
> the project were introduced. Knowing who is who is certainly a need. May be
> participants to the list/project could have a dedicated introductory page?
I will publish the team intro blog post later today and post a link on
this list.
> Then, is the project be in charge of initial operations themselves (design
> of the logo, installation, test, control)?
Yes with support by the foundation among others.
> Good luck with all this and thanks.
Thanks.
Cheers
Lydia
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Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Eisenacher Straße 2
10777 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
Heya folks :)
Denny just took the time to write down some of the high-level things
that the Wikidata development will take as a base and guideline for
all the work that is to be done over the next year. You can find them
at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Requirements I hope
this helps to get everyone on the same page and clarifies some basic
things a bit more. If any of this is unclear let me know please.
We now also have a Twitter and identi.ca account that you can
subscribe to if you like. They are at http://twitter.com/wikidata and
http://identi.ca/wikidata
Cheers
Lydia
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Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Eisenacher Straße 2
10777 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Nadja Kutz <nadja(a)daytar.de> wrote:
>
> Am 02.04.2012 um 20:22 schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Nadja Kutz <nadja(a)daytar.de> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Is there any plan to use some kind of project management tool like trac (trac.org) ? Or at least a forum software?
>>> I find neither the mailing list nor the wiki very well suited for keeping track of the various discussion threads and
>>> software development issues.
>>
>> We'll be doing SCRUM and there will be a public SCRUM log for that.
>
>
> trac has a scrum plugin (which I havent yet tried out). It has also a direct hub to subversion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Subversion
>
>> No there will not be a forum. I don't want to split discussions even further.
>
> the problem is that on this mailing list it is even problematic to identify a discussion thread.
> Whats so bad about to split discussions?
It would not be so much of a problem if people would change the
subject of emails when they reply to a thread with a completely
different topic ;-) (Like I did with this email now.)
Splitting discussions over even more media is bad because it makes it
even more impossible for people to keep up with everything.
>> I will be doing weekly summaries starting next week probably. These
>> should be good to keep track of everything if you don't want to read
>> all the emails.
>>
>
> Eventually one would like to reply to a discussion, I dont know wether this works very well if you just read the summary.
I'm afraid it is difficult to both keep up with everything and not.
Cheers
Lydia
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Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Eisenacher Straße 2
10777 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
Hello everybody! My Wikipedia username is IWorld and I'll help on the
Wikidata project. I have created 2 logo candidates. You can see that on
the talk page of Wikidata
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata). I hope you like them.
Sincerely,
IWorld