Can´t we just install the SpamBlacklist extension and add links to the blacklist - MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melding:Spam-blacklist ?
I think the best way to combat spam is to identify the unwanted behaviour and then block it. No need to limit editing on the whole wiki, as that would also limit the edits of users that have not done anything wrong.
John McClure wrote: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Maps gives links to iso/iec 13250"
???
There seems to be a misunderstanding. I was having rather the meta descriptions of general ISO items in mind, not the description of a topic map per se. (and apart from that I thought wikidata wanted to use RDF ? )
The ISO site is rather cryptic and most of it is not accessible (see e.g. http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36) however I understood sentences (see http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…) like:
"ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 provides principles, rules and structures for the specification of the description of a learning resource; it identifies and specifies the attributes of a data element as well as the rules governing their use. The key principles stated in ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 are informed by a user requirements-driven context with the aim of supporting multilingual and cultural adaptability requirements from a global perspective.
ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 is information-technology-neutral and defines a set of common approaches, i.e. methodologies and constructs, which apply to the development of the subsequent parts of ISO/IEC 19788."
as that the ISO is in the process of turning parts of their database into a machine-readable standard format. So I assumed that
the "identification of a data element" for learning ressources could be sort of planned to be extendend to all of (or already have?) their standards, which reaches from screw threads
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…
over mathematical symbols
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…
to copper alloys
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_tc_browse.htm?c…
If that would be the case then companies etc. could link and conform to standards (here for example an unlinked reference
to a DIN standard for
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wärmeleitzahl in a product for insulation: http://isofloc.de/index.php?technische-daten)
That is especially companies could be interested in promoting parts of their technical data in a ISO standartized format (which makes the comparision of technical data of products easier)
so for example crawlers could collect products which set out certain technical specifications. Organizations could
link easier to companies which conform e.g. to social standards etc.
So when I wrote that Wikidata could eventually base their data on the ISO standards then I meant that it
would make sense to have a structural correspondence
between ISO standards and definitions (or e.g. standards from the DIN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Institut_f%C3%BCr_Normung or other similar organizations) and the wikidata ontology, because wikidata would for materials etc. anyways have an entry for the corresponding standards.
Friedrich Roehrs wrote:"1c. You're arguing over CHF 200 -- which extraordinarily-cheaply and
fundamentally PROTECTS the MWF from copyright infringement suits? Can
the SNAK architecture provide that reassurance to the MWF community?"
I don't know what you mean by that. As you can see in the ISO links:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…
each item alone costs something in that range.
Hey guys,
I think for a long time semantic projects have focused on
getting data out but haven't incorporated the 'voice of the consumer';
yet, if you think of data quality as 'suitable for customer
requirements' instead of 'process conforms to specification,' this is
the first step.
I'm looking forward to getting an early look of the data you
publish and otherwise advocate for the point of view of people who want
to use Wikidata data.
I'd also like to advocate for "documentation driven
development" here, because my experience with
http://code.google.com/p/basekb-tools/
is that it helps a lot to
(1) document the behavior of the system by providing specific
query examples,
(2) construct test sets for everything in the documentation
(3) If you're not 100% proud of the story told in your
documentation feed this back into the product.
I think a little attention towards producing "readerly" output
in conjunction with a "writerly" interface for Wikipedians could be key
to make Wikidata one of the foundations of the Linked Data Galaxy.
Hello John,
thanks for digging this out.
I see in the Brochure there is not only a postbox but they have even an office where one could meat the ISO:
1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse
It would be interesting to hear whats Wikimedia's opinion on this.
Nadja
Heya folks,
just for your information: We have merged the 3 Wikibase repositories
in git into 1. The new setup instructions are here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup Having 3
repositories turned out to be a huge hassle for the development.
A few things will probably still need to be fixed in the next hours
but I wanted to let you know quickly.
Cheers
Lydia
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jmcclure wrote: "And please mention how the wikidata community can be assured that the wikidata team's designs themselves don't infringe someone else's patent or copyright, a reassurance that would directly follow from MWF's purchase of rights to use an ISO standard."
May be someone can phone these people in Geneva and ask wether wikidata could at least base its ontology on the ISO Standard.
(eventually by purchasing this right)
phone number: http://www.iso.org/iso/copyright.htm
in that way one would eventually not use their explicit texts and formats but could use at least their structural outline ?
Allthough it would of course be better if the formats would be in accordance.
The ISO funds itself with selling standards. May be some rich sponsor could buy their RDF classification and
make it openly accessible? Whats the ISO opinion on that did someone check?
Commercial publishing and open access need not be automatically exclusive
i.e. here one could eventually pay for an open access publication in order to prevent the ruin of the ISO.
by the way, whats MWF (mediawikifoundation?) and thanks to Fabian Suchanek for the explanations at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/331
Hello,
is it usual, that some E-Mail-Addresses cannot be verificated for the
WikiData test pages? I recently tried again to get access did not
succeed. No verification mail was sent to me.
Marco
At Lydia's presentation in Cologne I talked about using persondata for
Wikidata. I guess I'm not the first & only one to think about that, but
since I'm new to the list, I thought I should share my opinion with you. In
Wikipedia (as well as in the German Wikisource, for one) there are two uses
of standardized data affiliated with persons which should be implemented in
Wikidata:
1) Persondata http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Personendaten is
implemented in a lot of Wikipedias and also widely used (first by the
German Wikipedia, then others followed). The template features Name,
Alternative Name(s), Short Description (like "Dutch Politician"), Date of
Birth, Place of Birth, Date of Death, Place of Death. Somebody should write
some code to have this information drawn to Wikidata. Ask APPER (
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:APPER), he's an expert on this.
2) Authority Control or "Normdaten" (
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Normdaten): Wikipedia is listing
Authority Control Numbers from a variety of institutions. This is most
widely used on persons, but there are also corporations, events, and so on.
Again, this is implemented and used in a lot of Wikipedias but most widely
at the German Wikipedia. Since April 2012, it features the type of data (p
= Person, k = Corporation, v = Event, etc.) and some authority control
numbers, most common GND (Gemeinsame Normdatei) but also LCCN (Library of
Congress Control Number), NDL (Web NDL Authorities), and VIAF (Virtual
International Authority File). Since 2006, the German Wikipedia cooperates
with the German National Library which is working on the GND. Wikipedia has
a page where users can report errors in the GND so that the library
employees can correct them (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PND/F).
Unfortunately, I'm no programmer and I cannot help with drawing this pile
of data to Wikidata. But I think the Wikidata staff should put this item on
their agenda.
Yours, Jonathan
(and another bounce... - I think I am going to turn this off in
mailman next time this happens)
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM, <mailman-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Forwarded from Wikidata-test-client
> Hi,
>
> I just meant the usual MediaWiki-tab which shows the Wiki-markup if you dont
> have edit-permissions.
> From time to time I only want to have a short look at the markup.
>
> c u stevie
Hey :)
This is currently not possible and it isn't decided yet if we'll do it
and if so how. Currently it is just a json construct that readers
probably won't find very useful. It is not wiki text like you're used
to. If there is a specific reason why you want to see it I'd be
interested in hearing it so we can take it into account.
Cheers
Lydia
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Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Obentrautstr. 72
10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.