For reusing the paper unchanged this is indeed a problem. "Journal" could
be added to the list of mentioned reuse venues--but this still wouldn't
imply that the entirety of the paper could be used without change, I
suspect. For ACM conferences, there are two types of papers:
Archival papers are published in the ACM digital library, in the conference
proceedings, and are considered final research products to be cited.
Non-archival papers are not considered final research products and (as far
as I know) don't require copyright transfer.
Aside from making papers destined to be used VERBATIM without change in
journals 'non-archival', how could this be addressed?
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>wrote;wrote:
the conferences I attend or follow (e.g. EGOS, AoM, APROS. SFAA) afaik do
not typically require signed copyright notices at all, and if they do, the
copyright is granted specifically for publishing in the proceedings, and
legally resembles a license more, than a full copyright transfer. The
problem with your copyright form, as I read it, is that ACM receives and
retains all rights (which may be not welcome by some journal publishers,
and you never know where eventually you're going to try to publish, so why
risk?), and also that it does not specify journal articles as acceptable
forms of future reusing the paper.
In fact, the copyright form is very similar to the forms used by journals
(many of which allow publishing the article on a personal page or in future
book works, if proper attribution is provided). This also may indicate to
some possible attendants that WikiSym conference publication is an
alternative to a journal publication.
In my field a conference paper does not count as a publication and is
usually treated as a way of improving the paper before submitting it to a
journal. Thus the possibility that you're going to use the paper almost
verbatim in a journal submission is quite real. These differences possibly
may result in WikiSym, as a conference and only in some disciplines, being
less popular than it deserves.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jodi Schneider <jschneider(a)pobox.com>wrote;wrote:
This is interesting, because if we can articulate problems in the
copyright notice, we may be able to fix them. Currently, for WikiSym, the
ACM Publications copyright form for proceedings is used:
* The right to reuse any portion of the Work, without fee, in future
works of the Author's (or Author's Employer's) own, including books,
lectures and presentations in all media, provided that the ACM citation,
notice of the Copyright and the ACM DOI are included ...
* The right to revise the work.
What is a typical copyright notice for conferences you *do* publish in?
What rights do you need?
In computer science, typically a journal publication arising in part from
a conference paper would include new results, or several papers would be
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>wrote;wrote:
> This is why conferences such as WikiSym are not very attractive for my
> field, as they require some copyright transfer (which may effectively make
> publishing in the final destination difficult).
dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i centrum badawczego CROW
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego