You have a good point about the ease of changing WikiSym and opening a new track, but I wonder why an author might choose to submit a "working paper" and pay for travel to a conference if they'll end up submitting the final product to a place where they receive credit anyway.

Since WikiSym is intended to be a terminal publication venue, I'd like that all who submit (and are accepted) get the appropriate amount of credit for their work, but I understand that it would be naive to expect the world to be able/willing to quickly change.  


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jodi Schneider <> wrote:
Hi Aaron,

I think Dariusz' suggestion is that we add a conference track for non-archival "working papers" from social scientists.

It is much faster for WikiSym to change than for the recognition environment of all social scientists to change. Even if we mark papers as archival the 'conference' label may still be a downside.

What do you think?


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Aaron Halfaker <> wrote:
Can we not just label which of our accepted papers are archival?  It seems that some disciplines assume Journal == Archival and Conference != Archival.  This is apparently inaccurate in other disciplines so there must be some reason we don't just note which papers are archived and which are not.  I don't see it though. 


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <> wrote:

I think it basically is a different publication model. You probably could have two track (one for final, the other for working papers) so as to address the disciplines which rely on journals as final outlets.


20 lis 2012 20:26, "Jodi Schneider" <> napisał(a):

Hi Dariusz,

For reusing the paper unchanged this is indeed a problem. "Journal" could be added to the list of mentioned reuse venues--but this still wouldn't imply that the entirety of the paper could be used without change, I suspect. For ACM conferences, there are two types of papers:

- archival
- non-archival

Archival papers are published in the ACM digital library, in the conference proceedings, and are considered final research products to be cited.

Non-archival papers are not considered final research products and (as far as I know) don't require copyright transfer.

Aside from making papers destined to be used VERBATIM without change in journals 'non-archival', how could this be addressed?


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <> wrote:
hi Jodi,

the conferences I attend or follow  (e.g. EGOS, AoM, APROS. SFAA) afaik do not typically require signed copyright notices at all, and if they do, the copyright is granted specifically for publishing in the proceedings, and legally resembles a license more, than a full copyright transfer. The problem with your copyright form, as I read it, is that ACM receives and retains all rights (which may be not welcome by some journal publishers, and you never know where eventually you're going to try to publish, so why risk?), and also that it does not specify journal articles as acceptable forms of future reusing the paper.

In fact, the copyright form is very similar to the forms used by journals (many of which allow publishing the article on a personal page or in future book works, if proper attribution is provided). This also may indicate to some possible attendants that WikiSym conference publication is an alternative to a journal publication.

In my field a conference paper does not count as a publication and is usually treated as a way of improving the paper before submitting it to a journal. Thus the possibility that you're going to use the paper almost verbatim  in a journal submission is quite real. These differences possibly may result in WikiSym, as a conference and only  in some disciplines, being less popular than it deserves.



On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jodi Schneider <> wrote:
Hi Dariusz,

This is interesting, because if we can articulate problems in the copyright notice, we may be able to fix them. Currently, for WikiSym, the ACM Publications copyright form for proceedings is used:

This includes:
* The right to reuse any portion of the Work, without fee, in future works of the Author’s (or Author’s Employer’s) own, including books, lectures and presentations in all media, provided that the ACM citation, notice of the Copyright and the ACM DOI are included ...

* The right to revise the work. 

What is a typical copyright notice for conferences you *do* publish in? What rights do you need?

In computer science, typically a journal publication arising in part from a conference paper would include new results, or several papers would be combined.


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <> wrote:
This is why conferences such as WikiSym are not very attractive for my field, as they require some copyright transfer (which may effectively make publishing in the final destination difficult). 


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