Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which they made their first edit. - The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn. - In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage. - In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
Hi Jeph,
I don't seem to be able to expand those graphs to a usable size on my machine, but It would be very interesting to hear if any of the key changes to the editor interface made a difference to longevity. I'm thinking particularly the introduction of capcha on newbies adding external links, and the shift from Monobook to Vector as default skin.
On 14 July 2015 at 20:01, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which they
made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups
are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data in
the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has since
stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which they
made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups
are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data in
the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has since
stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor. - The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we compare 'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can. - Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1] - Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months. - Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01. - The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph 4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc. - Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in % for the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall. - I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session after registration) - It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you. - If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which they
made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups
are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data in
the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has since
stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we compare
'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars
https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars
https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph 4
the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in % for
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out
what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which they
made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups
are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data in
the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has
since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we compare
'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in % for
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out
what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfaker@gmail.com
wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which
they made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the groups
are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data
in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has
since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Hello everyone,
I am Netha Hussain, a Wikimania attendee. I will be around at India booth in Chapters Village from 9 to 10 am on July 19 to talk about Jeph's graphs about editor activity analysis. I am also anticipating Jeph to come online over my computer during the same time, so you can also direct your questions to the creator himself!
See you later today at India booth!
Regards Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we compare
'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked Bars
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in % for
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out
what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker < aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which
they made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the
groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data
in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has
since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Dear all,
The etherpad to Jeph's editor activity analysis can be found on this link : https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Editor_Activity_Graphs
If you can't make it to the India booth between 10-11, you can interact with Jeph over etherpad between 9-11 am CDT.
-Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Netha Hussain nethahussain@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am Netha Hussain, a Wikimania attendee. I will be around at India booth in Chapters Village from 9 to 10 am on July 19 to talk about Jeph's graphs about editor activity analysis. I am also anticipating Jeph to come online over my computer during the same time, so you can also direct your questions to the creator himself!
See you later today at India booth!
Regards Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we
compare 'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
for the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in %
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out
what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker < aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which
they made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the
groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data
in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has
since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Hi Pine,
If you want to look at editor longevity/retention you need to look at - Editor Cohort Longevity https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/editor_cohort_longevity.html. Eg: A screenshot of the the editor cohort longevity graph with the filter set at 5% - 100% for en. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graphs#/media/File:Editor_cohort_longevity_-_matrix_-_en.png
The link https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity%20Value%20-%20stacked%20view.html ( https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity...) you mentioned shows - the total edit activity of a cohort over its lifetime.
The editor longevity/retention measured by active edit sessions in 'en' had a fall from 2005 levels and has since stabilized at the lower 2007 levels. A graph https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Trends_Study/Results#Retention_rate_dropped_from_mid-2005_to_early-2007_and_has_remained_low_ever_since_.28Finding_.232.29 with similar result - pointed out to me by Atlasowa https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Atlasowa.
Jeph
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Netha Hussain nethahussain@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am Netha Hussain, a Wikimania attendee. I will be around at India booth in Chapters Village from 9 to 10 am on July 19 to talk about Jeph's graphs about editor activity analysis. I am also anticipating Jeph to come online over my computer during the same time, so you can also direct your questions to the creator himself!
See you later today at India booth!
Regards Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we
compare 'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
for the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in %
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find out
what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker < aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... .
The graphs can be viewed at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for the wikis soon.
Methodology
- The editors are split into groups based on the month in which
they made their first edit.
- The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the
groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/
Selector
- There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the data
in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn.
- In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage.
- In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort.
Preliminary Finding
- Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has
since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph...
Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you would have for me.
Jeph
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Is the longevity measured within projects or across all projects? Anecdotally the launch of wiki data has lost a number of editors from various Wikipedia as they migrated to wiki data.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Pine,
If you want to look at editor longevity/retention you need to look at - Editor Cohort Longevity https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/editor_cohort_longevity.html. Eg: A screenshot of the the editor cohort longevity graph with the filter set at 5% - 100% for en. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graphs#/media/File:Editor_cohort_longevity_-_matrix_-_en.png
The link https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity%20Value%20-%20stacked%20view.html ( https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity...) you mentioned shows - the total edit activity of a cohort over its lifetime.
The editor longevity/retention measured by active edit sessions in 'en' had a fall from 2005 levels and has since stabilized at the lower 2007 levels. A graph https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Trends_Study/Results#Retention_rate_dropped_from_mid-2005_to_early-2007_and_has_remained_low_ever_since_.28Finding_.232.29 with similar result - pointed out to me by Atlasowa https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Atlasowa.
Jeph
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Netha Hussain <nethahussain@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nethahussain@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am Netha Hussain, a Wikimania attendee. I will be around at India booth in Chapters Village from 9 to 10 am on July 19 to talk about Jeph's graphs about editor activity analysis. I am also anticipating Jeph to come online over my computer during the same time, so you can also direct your questions to the creator himself!
See you later today at India booth!
Regards Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph <jephpaul@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jephpaul@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph <jephpaul@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jephpaul@gmail.com');> wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we
compare 'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort - Stacked
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
for the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in %
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find
out what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker < aaron.halfaker@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aaron.halfaker@gmail.com');> wrote:
There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the drop in newcomer retention.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
-Aaron
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph <jephpaul@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jephpaul@gmail.com');> wrote:
> Hi All, > > I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of in > wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... > . > > The graphs can be viewed at > https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. > Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for > the wikis soon. > > Methodology > > - The editors are split into groups based on the month in which > they made their first edit. > - The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the > groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the > canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of > the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/ > > Selector > > - There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the > data in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you > will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn. > - In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage. > - In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort. > > Preliminary Finding > > - Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has > since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... > > Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you > would have for me. > > Jeph > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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The graphs are for wikipedia - the individual languages in them. So graphs for 'en' gives the data for en alone.
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Active_editor_spike_2015 - https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution...
They don't seem to show any dip associated with the launch of wikidata.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:37 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the longevity measured within projects or across all projects? Anecdotally the launch of wiki data has lost a number of editors from various Wikipedia as they migrated to wiki data.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Pine,
If you want to look at editor longevity/retention you need to look at - Editor Cohort Longevity https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/editor_cohort_longevity.html. Eg: A screenshot of the the editor cohort longevity graph with the filter set at 5% - 100% for en. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graphs#/media/File:Editor_cohort_longevity_-_matrix_-_en.png
The link https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity%20Value%20-%20stacked%20view.html ( https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity...) you mentioned shows - the total edit activity of a cohort over its lifetime.
The editor longevity/retention measured by active edit sessions in 'en' had a fall from 2005 levels and has since stabilized at the lower 2007 levels. A graph https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Trends_Study/Results#Retention_rate_dropped_from_mid-2005_to_early-2007_and_has_remained_low_ever_since_.28Finding_.232.29 with similar result - pointed out to me by Atlasowa https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Atlasowa.
Jeph
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Netha Hussain nethahussain@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am Netha Hussain, a Wikimania attendee. I will be around at India booth in Chapters Village from 9 to 10 am on July 19 to talk about Jeph's graphs about editor activity analysis. I am also anticipating Jeph to come online over my computer during the same time, so you can also direct your questions to the creator himself!
See you later today at India booth!
Regards Netha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jeph,
Interesting. Am I reading correctly from https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Activity... that editor longevity, measured by number of edit sessions, is continuing to shrink over time?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:52 AM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
If any of of you are at the wikimania currently, Netha Hussain would be happy to run you guys through the graphs in person and take any questions on them. She is free from 09:00 - 11:00 CDT (mexican local time) on Sunday.
Jeph
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
@ Aaron
- I've added the definitions.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... using the historical definition - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_... for an active editor.
- The longevity graph shows some interesting results when we
compare 'en' with other languages like 'es', 'zh' etc. I'll upload them and send the link as soon as I can.
- Graphs 4&5 do show results that are different from [1]
Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html . Selecting 1-2 in the selector show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month in all the months.
- Graph 4 - Monthly Editor Activity Split By Cohort - Stacked
Stacked Bars https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor%20Cohort%20Contribution%20in%20a%20month%20by%20percentage%20-%20stacked%20view.html. Selecting the same (1-2 in the selector) show the contribution of the cohort that joined in that month as a % of the total activity in a given month for all months. - In the month of Jan 07 , The cohort Jan 07 contributed 'x'%. - The activity in month Jan 07 = cohort Jan 07 + cohort Dec 06 ..... Cohort Jan 01.
- Graph 5 - Monthly Editor Activity % Split By Cohort -
4 https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/Editor_Cohort_Contribution_in_a_month_by_value_stacked_view.html and many other graphs [1] etc.
- The editor activity peaks in Jan 07 - March 07 as shown in Graph
for the cohorts joining in the months Jan 07 - March 07, aka the new comers each month has remained the same and it is < 40 %. So the older editors contributed 60+ % in those months. Which tell us that the contribution to the fall in active editors lies both with the new editors in a month and also the older editors. In fact the older editors contributed more to the fall.
- Graph 5 show that for the same period the contribution in %
- I have not looked specifically at (No of edits in first session
after registration)
- It was [1] that got me working on the graphs :-)
@WereSpielChequers
- Please send me a screenshot & I'll try to fix it for you.
- If you know the dates when they were introduced we could find
out what effect it had. Could you please add them to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... or on the talk page.
There are five different graphs at https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/en/index.html. The explanation for each of them can be found at the bottom of each graph. I've generated the graphs for other wikis too 'es', 'de', 'ru' etc. I'll put them up as soon as I can.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Aaron Halfaker < aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a lot of undefined metrics in your methods. For example, > what do you mean by "canonical definition of edit sessions". Is it [0]? > Also, is there something that we learn from this longevity analysis that we > didn't learn from previous research? E.g. [1] and [2]. One point that I > think would look into is the engagement measure used in [1] (# of edits in > first session after registration). In my work on [1], it looked like this > stat remained consistent since 2004 and therefor didn't seem to explain the > drop in newcomer retention. > > 0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Activity_session > 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline > 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor > > -Aaron > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I been working on graphs to visualize the entire edit activity of >> in wiki for some time now. I'm documenting all of it at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... >> . >> >> The graphs can be viewed at >> https://cosmiclattes.github.io/wikigraphs/data/wikis.html. >> Currently only graphs for 'en' have been put up, I'll add the graphs for >> the wikis soon. >> >> Methodology >> >> - The editors are split into groups based on the month in which >> they made their first edit. >> - The active edit sessions (value or percentage etc) for the >> groups are then plotted as stacked bars or as a matrix. I've used the >> canonical definition of an active edit session. The value are + or - .1% of >> the values on https://stats.wikimedia.org/ >> >> Selector >> >> - There is a selector on each graph that lets you filter the >> data in the graph. On moving the cursor to the left end of the selector you >> will get a resize cursor. The selection can then are moved or redrawn. >> - In graphs 1,2 the selector filters by percentage. >> - In graphs 3,4,5 the selector filters by the age of the cohort. >> >> Preliminary Finding >> >> - Longevity of editors fell drastically starting Jan 06 and has >> since stabilized at levels from Jan 07. >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_Behaviour_Analysis_%26_Graph... >> >> Would you to hear what you guys think of the graphs & any ideas you >> would have for me. >> >> Jeph >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
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OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
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No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
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Pine
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Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
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You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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Thanks Aaron, others can build on this. Would it be possible to include adding links to this page in the standard procedure for WMF-funded projects (grants, research, tech tools) as they are proposed, approved, updated, or evaluated? I'm not sure who to ask about this since it would require coordination among a variety of departments. Perhaps Luis?
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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Clarification: standard procedure for *relevant* WMF-funded projects.
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Aaron, others can build on this. Would it be possible to include adding links to this page in the standard procedure for WMF-funded projects (grants, research, tech tools) as they are proposed, approved, updated, or evaluated? I'm not sure who to ask about this since it would require coordination among a variety of departments. Perhaps Luis?
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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Sorry Pine, but I'm not sure what you are asking for. Are you suggesting that links be added to this page each time someone looks into retention? That would probably be overkill. I take retention measurements on a weekly basis and a lot of that work is measurement theoretic, so it answer more questions about a measurement than the measured phenomena.
I think we'll want a more general practice -- since this page only relates to retention, we'd probably want similar summary pages for other frames of inquiry.
-Aaron
Research into editor retention issues is only a subset of editor retention initiatives, so a list in research space on meta is useful, but not a logical place to document initiatives that haven't involved research. That may sound surprising in this forum, but on Wikipedia there have been lots of initiatives that started off because some editors thought they would help editor retention, and there may never have been any research into whether they work. The interesting side of that is that there are lots of things that have been tried, some of which would make interesting research projects.
Regards
Jonathan / WereSpielChequers
On 22 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Aaron, others can build on this. Would it be possible to include adding links to this page in the standard procedure for WMF-funded projects (grants, research, tech tools) as they are proposed, approved, updated, or evaluated? I'm not sure who to ask about this since it would require coordination among a variety of departments. Perhaps Luis?
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote: Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote: You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote: OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote: No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
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I've started a page here for anyone to edit as they think best: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_retention
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:08 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Research into editor retention issues is only a subset of editor retention initiatives, so a list in research space on meta is useful, but not a logical place to document initiatives that haven't involved research. That may sound surprising in this forum, but on Wikipedia there have been lots of initiatives that started off because some editors thought they would help editor retention, and there may never have been any research into whether they work. The interesting side of that is that there are lots of things that have been tried, some of which would make interesting research projects.
Regards
Jonathan / WereSpielChequers
On 22 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Aaron, others can build on this. Would it be possible to include adding links to this page in the standard procedure for WMF-funded projects (grants, research, tech tools) as they are proposed, approved, updated, or evaluated? I'm not sure who to ask about this since it would require coordination among a variety of departments. Perhaps Luis?
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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I put together a presentation for the research team yesterday. Sharing it here, http://slides.com/cosmiclattes/edit-activity-graphs-analysis/.
Jeph
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I've started a page here for anyone to edit as they think best: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_retention
Pine
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:08 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Research into editor retention issues is only a subset of editor retention initiatives, so a list in research space on meta is useful, but not a logical place to document initiatives that haven't involved research. That may sound surprising in this forum, but on Wikipedia there have been lots of initiatives that started off because some editors thought they would help editor retention, and there may never have been any research into whether they work. The interesting side of that is that there are lots of things that have been tried, some of which would make interesting research projects.
Regards
Jonathan / WereSpielChequers
On 22 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Aaron, others can build on this. Would it be possible to include adding links to this page in the standard procedure for WMF-funded projects (grants, research, tech tools) as they are proposed, approved, updated, or evaluated? I'm not sure who to ask about this since it would require coordination among a variety of departments. Perhaps Luis?
Pine
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wrote:
Cool work Jeph. Sorry to not stop by the booth Netha. I'm only now catching up on mailinglist stuff post-wikimania and didn't see the invitation in time.
I have a start here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_retention Regretfully, I haven't expanded that in a year, but please do feel free to be bold. I highlighted my own work only because it was easiest for me to summarize at the time and I was in a rust to get a few key stubs together. Please feel free to expand to other relevant literature. I'll help as I can manage to schedule the time.
-Aaron
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
You could start a page on meta with subpages on specific wikis. I think you will find that a devolved system will work better than trying for a centralised system. People on the English Wikipedia running current schemes or aware of past ones might be willing to log them there, perhaps with a category, but I can't see them doing so on meta, and I doubt other languages will be different.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
OK, perhaps we should have one so that we know what's being tried and what has been tried. I'm not sure who to ask in WMF if they could set up a hub for this kind of work. Aaron, do you know?
Thanks,
Pine
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
No.
There is a wiki project that looks at this and many chapters, as well as I suspect many adhoc things that individual editors do. I know of enough such initiatives to know that there is no single complete list of editor retention initiatives.
Regards
Jonathan
On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:03, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of ongoing and planned editor retention initiatives?
Pine
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jeph, 18/09/2015 06:37:
I put together a presentation for the research team yesterday. Sharing it here, http://slides.com/cosmiclattes/edit-activity-graphs-analysis/.
Is there a downloadable PDF on Commons? Thanks, Nemo
Nope not yet.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
jeph, 18/09/2015 06:37:
I put together a presentation for the research team yesterday. Sharing it here, http://slides.com/cosmiclattes/edit-activity-graphs-analysis/.
Is there a downloadable PDF on Commons? Thanks, Nemo
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Hi All,
I've made an IEG application to continue work on the graphs. Please do take a look at it, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Editor_Behaviour_Analysis.
Jeph
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:00 PM, jeph jephpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Nope not yet.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
jeph, 18/09/2015 06:37:
I put together a presentation for the research team yesterday. Sharing it here, http://slides.com/cosmiclattes/edit-activity-graphs-analysis/.
Is there a downloadable PDF on Commons? Thanks, Nemo
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