Lane,
Thanks for your message:
James: I made the edit stating the research should get approval, and I did that by jumping into the game and just making the edit based on what I read in discussion boards. I did not consider it to be a new requirement....
For the benefit of those who haven't clicked on the link, you edited [[meta:Research:Subject recruitment]] to read, at the top:
"If you are doing research which involves contacting Wikimedia project editors or users then you must first notify the Wikimedia Research Committee by describing your project. After your project gets approval then you may begin."
How could that not be seen as a requirement? Do you think there is a way to phrase it so that it would not be seen as a requirement?
Certainly this is not your fault. As you read, Dario Taraborelli stated on February 15, "this is a policy that we're enforcing ... approval is required" http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk%3AFAQ&diff=344...
And after you made that edit, Dario thanked you for it, saying, "I appreciate the documentation on the review procedure" -- even though the Research Committee had explicitly rejected an approval policy requirement in September 2010, has not discussed it since, and neither the community or the Foundation has ever endorsed any of the earlier policy proposals.
I would not be so upset about this if I hadn't been repeatedly accused of misconduct in failing to obtain RCom approval.
Given the ease and lack of remorse with which Dr. Taraborelli, Mr. Walling, and Mr. Beaudette have all repeatedly lied about me while accusing me of misconduct, I have lost all confidence in the ability of Foundation staff to adhere to basic ethics. I intend to continue to raise this issue until it is addressed sufficiently.
Sincerely, James Salsman
James,
I think I have replied consistently to your requests, both on wiki and by mail, stressing that this is the de facto standard procedure that was introduced with the creation of the RCom, pending a formal (as in voted) policy, and that the expectation is for whoever runs a survey or subject recruitment campaign to comply with this procedure. I appreciate that it implies a bit of bureaucracy but it's the best solution we can offer to help the community understand who runs a study and what for and help the researcher/investigator meet some basic requirements.
Dario
On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:06 AM, James Salsman wrote:
Lane,
Thanks for your message:
James: I made the edit stating the research should get approval, and I did that by jumping into the game and just making the edit based on what I read in discussion boards. I did not consider it to be a new requirement....
For the benefit of those who haven't clicked on the link, you edited [[meta:Research:Subject recruitment]] to read, at the top:
"If you are doing research which involves contacting Wikimedia project editors or users then you must first notify the Wikimedia Research Committee by describing your project. After your project gets approval then you may begin."
How could that not be seen as a requirement? Do you think there is a way to phrase it so that it would not be seen as a requirement?
Certainly this is not your fault. As you read, Dario Taraborelli stated on February 15, "this is a policy that we're enforcing ... approval is required" http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk%3AFAQ&diff=344...
And after you made that edit, Dario thanked you for it, saying, "I appreciate the documentation on the review procedure" -- even though the Research Committee had explicitly rejected an approval policy requirement in September 2010, has not discussed it since, and neither the community or the Foundation has ever endorsed any of the earlier policy proposals.
I would not be so upset about this if I hadn't been repeatedly accused of misconduct in failing to obtain RCom approval.
Given the ease and lack of remorse with which Dr. Taraborelli, Mr. Walling, and Mr. Beaudette have all repeatedly lied about me while accusing me of misconduct, I have lost all confidence in the ability of Foundation staff to adhere to basic ethics. I intend to continue to raise this issue until it is addressed sufficiently.
Sincerely, James Salsman
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Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
James, I think I have replied consistently to your requests, both on wiki and by mail....
Anyone can judge for themselves whether this is true by looking at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:FAQ
There you claimed that research approval was a mandatory policy, and much more recently you thanked a third party for an edit which clearly implies that it is strictly mandatory. But in September 2010 you agreed with the rest of the RCom that research subject recruitment approval should not be mandatory in favor of published guidelines instead. And when called on the inconsistency, you wrote that approval is not in fact mandatory. Both can not be true.
Instead of apologizing for your lie with which you attempted to impugn my integrity, you have been trying to cover it up with rhetoric.
Is that behavior considered acceptable at the Wikimedia Foundation?
Sincerely, James Salsman
@Audrey, are you sure you want to study motivations to contribute to Wikipedia? Maybe you should study flamewars on Wikipedia mailing lists instead, it promises to be a subject on which you could get lots of observational data!
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:11 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
James, I think I have replied consistently to your requests, both on wiki and by mail....
Anyone can judge for themselves whether this is true by looking at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:FAQ
There you claimed that research approval was a mandatory policy, and much more recently you thanked a third party for an edit which clearly implies that it is strictly mandatory. But in September 2010 you agreed with the rest of the RCom that research subject recruitment approval should not be mandatory in favor of published guidelines instead. And when called on the inconsistency, you wrote that approval is not in fact mandatory. Both can not be true.
Instead of apologizing for your lie with which you attempted to impugn my integrity, you have been trying to cover it up with rhetoric.
Is that behavior considered acceptable at the Wikimedia Foundation?
Sincerely, James Salsman
Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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