Dario and company,
I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users.
I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data.
Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques?
Pine
They key word is "developing": we don't have it yet. We'd like to have a proper discussion of the privacy implications around it before we do so.
On 6 September 2014 03:40, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Dario and company,
I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users.
I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data.
Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques?
Pine
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FYI, this plan will involve a public proposal and discussion. :) More to come.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
They key word is "developing": we don't have it yet. We'd like to have a proper discussion of the privacy implications around it before we do so.
On 6 September 2014 03:40, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Dario and company,
I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users.
I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data.
Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques?
Pine
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Good to hear. I note that according to the Wikimedia Report Card that total pageviews are holding fairly steady even as Comscore reports a decline in unique visitors. If pageviews are holding steady despite the reuse of Wikipedia article summaries in search engines, I think this is a net positive. If we have more confidence in the pageview data than in the Comscore data then I am inclined to believe that the net situation is significantly better than what the Comscore data alone would suggest.
Pine
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Aaron Halfaker ahalfaker@wikimedia.org wrote:
FYI, this plan will involve a public proposal and discussion. :) More to come.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
They key word is "developing": we don't have it yet. We'd like to have a proper discussion of the privacy implications around it before we do so.
On 6 September 2014 03:40, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Dario and company,
I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users.
I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data.
Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques?
Pine
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Related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:West.andrew.g/Popular_pages#STICKY:_...
Er. That's not true, I don't think. See the notes at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/ - wkimedia mobile pageviews are counted, just in a distinct way, because webstatscollector (the software that powers page-by-page-PV-collection) looks primarily at aggregating the entire URLs.
On 7 September 2014 13:41, Andrew G. West west.andrew.g@gmail.com wrote:
Related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:West.andrew.g/ Popular_pages#STICKY:_On_the_Non-Reporting_of_Mobile_Views
-- Andrew G. West, PhD Research Scientist Verisign Labs - Reston, VA Website: http://www.andrew-g-west.com
On 09/07/2014 03:27 AM, Pine W wrote:
Good to hear. I note that according to the Wikimedia Report Card that total pageviews are holding fairly steady even as Comscore reports a decline in unique visitors. If pageviews are holding steady despite the reuse of Wikipedia article summaries in search engines, I think this is a net positive. If we have more confidence in the pageview data than in the Comscore data then I am inclined to believe that the net situation is significantly better than what the Comscore data alone would suggest.
Pine
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FYI, this plan will involve a public proposal and discussion. :) More to come. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org <mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org>> wrote: They key word is "developing": we don't have it yet. We'd like to have a proper discussion of the privacy implications around it before we do so. On 6 September 2014 03:40, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com>> wrote: Dario and company, I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users. I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data. Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques? Pine _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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I have spoken with Erik Zachte about this -- who confirmed that mobile views are not being counted on a per-article basis.
Indeed, that documentation does point out the existence of an "*.mw" key(s) for such views. However, if you download one of those raw pagecount files and 'grep' for that string, you'll find it appears exactly once, where the number aggregate number of mobile views over all articles is counted (i.e., one mega-aggregate number, not the several million article granularity ones we would expect/like).
Thanks, -AW
On 09/07/2014 02:34 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
Er. That's not true, I don't think. See the notes at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/ - wkimedia mobile pageviews are counted, just in a distinct way, because webstatscollector (the software that powers page-by-page-PV-collection) looks primarily at aggregating the entire URLs.
On 7 September 2014 13:41, Andrew G. West <west.andrew.g@gmail.com mailto:west.andrew.g@gmail.com> wrote:
Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__User_talk:West.andrew.g/__Popular_pages#STICKY:_On_the___Non-Reporting_of_Mobile_Views <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:West.andrew.g/Popular_pages#STICKY:_On_the_Non-Reporting_of_Mobile_Views> -- Andrew G. West, PhD Research Scientist Verisign Labs - Reston, VA Website: http://www.andrew-g-west.com On 09/07/2014 03:27 AM, Pine W wrote: Good to hear. I note that according to the Wikimedia Report Card that total pageviews are holding fairly steady even as Comscore reports a decline in unique visitors. If pageviews are holding steady despite the reuse of Wikipedia article summaries in search engines, I think this is a net positive. If we have more confidence in the pageview data than in the Comscore data then I am inclined to believe that the net situation is significantly better than what the Comscore data alone would suggest. Pine On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Aaron Halfaker <ahalfaker@wikimedia.org <mailto:ahalfaker@wikimedia.org> <mailto:ahalfaker@wikimedia.__org <mailto:ahalfaker@wikimedia.org>>> wrote: FYI, this plan will involve a public proposal and discussion. :) More to come. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org <mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org> <mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org <mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org>>> wrote: They key word is "developing": we don't have it yet. We'd like to have a proper discussion of the privacy implications around it before we do so. On 6 September 2014 03:40, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com> <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com>>> wrote: Dario and company, I heard a portion of the discussion during the September metrics meeting about Comscore saying that Wikimedia globally has a significant decline in unique visitors but this does not take into account mobile users. I thought that Wikimedia was developing an internal way of measuring unique visitors and was using Comscore data mainly to validate the internal data. Can you give an update on what the internal data shows about global uniques? Pine _________________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wiki-__research-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> -- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation _________________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wiki-__research-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> _________________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wiki-__research-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> _________________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wiki-__research-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> _________________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wiki-__research-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l>-- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation
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Gotcha. How odd!
On 7 September 2014 18:52, Andrew G. West west.andrew.g@gmail.com wrote:
I have spoken with Erik Zachte about this -- who confirmed that mobile views are not being counted on a per-article basis.
Indeed, that documentation does point out the existence of an "*.mw" key(s) for such views. However, if you download one of those raw pagecount files and 'grep' for that string, you'll find it appears exactly once, where the number aggregate number of mobile views over all articles is counted (i.e., one mega-aggregate number, not the several million article granularity ones we would expect/like).
Thanks, -AW
On 09/07/2014 02:34 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
Er. That's not true, I don't think. See the notes at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/ - wkimedia mobile pageviews are counted, just in a distinct way, because webstatscollector (the software that powers page-by-page-PV-collection) looks primarily at aggregating the entire URLs.
On 7 September 2014 13:41, Andrew G. West <west.andrew.g@gmail.com mailto:west.andrew.g@gmail.com> wrote:
Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__User_talk:West.andrew.g/__Popular_pages#STICKY:_On_the___Non-Reporting_of_Mobile_Views https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:West.andrew.g/ Popular_pages#STICKY:_On_the_Non-Reporting_of_Mobile_Views
-- Andrew G. West, PhD Research Scientist Verisign Labs - Reston, VA Website: http://www.andrew-g-west.com On 09/07/2014 03:27 AM, Pine W wrote: Good to hear. I note that according to the Wikimedia Report Card that total pageviews are holding fairly steady even as Comscorereports a decline in unique visitors. If pageviews are holding steady despite the reuse of Wikipedia article summaries in search engines, I think this is a net positive. If we have more confidence in the pageview data than in the Comscore data then I am inclined to believe that the net situation is significantly better than what the Comscore data alone would suggest.
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