Do you say that as a man or as a woman?
As a woman, you are assumed to be male routinely in real life and online.
Many people make no effort whatsoever, letters addressed to "Dr Sir" etc.
Has it got better over the years? Yes, in my real life, it has got somewhat
better over the years. But getting involved in Wikipedia and its discussions
about gender is like being back in 1970s. "Do we really have a gender gap?"
"Does it matter if we have a gender gap?"
Kerry
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From: wiki-research-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sam Katz
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2015 2:54 AM
To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities
Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd:
[Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
hey,
I just want to note that I am not convinced that gender expression
online or indeed expression in general is the same as it is in real
space. Granted, this may be stylistically what you are trying to
prove. But I just wanted to add my two cents, that indeed it may not
have a gender bias directly if the structure does not impose it.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:08 AM, <koltzenburg(a)w4w.net> wrote:
Hi Frances,
your assumption (an "unknown" user in a language where
personal nouns are gendered will always display the
masculine form) is correct for deWP, I just tested it from a
new dummy account.
you might call it a truly sytemic bias, and especially so
because community majority has not seen to changing that
space into gender friendly space for all, it seems.
so this adds another item of disharmony to my cautious note
on gender stats
best,
Claudia
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From:Frances Hocutt <fhocutt(a)wikimedia.org>
To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities
<wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent:Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:43:04 -0800
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender
stats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Mark J. Nelson
<mjn(a)anadrome.org> wrote:
>
> Frances Hocutt <fhocutt(a)wikimedia.org> writes:
>
> > One change that could address the latter incentive is
to change the
> > defaults on MediaWiki so that masculine
grammatical
gender is not the
> > default for new users. It could be
randomly assigned,
and then some men
> as
> > well as some women would have the incentive to set
their gender
> preferences.
>
> That's how it currently works, according to the manual,
with the default
> gender set to 'unknown':
>
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions
>
> I'm not sure if that's a recent change, or what's in
effect on
Wikimedia's own wikis, though.
I'm aware that it defaults to "unknown". My
understanding--and please correct me if I'm wrong--
is that an "unknown" user in a language where
personal nouns are gendered will always display
the masculine form (i.e. Usuario for a user of
unknown gender on es.wp). So, a male user doesn't
need to change his gender in preferences in order
to be described accurately where a female user
would need to set her gender in order to be
described as "Usuaria". Hence, different
incentives, and ones that could be addressed with
different default behavior for an "unknown" user.
-Frances
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