hi,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Samuel Klein <sj(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I've been thinking recently that we should start
this journal. There isn't an obvious candidate, despite some of the amazing research
that's been done, and the extreme
transparency that allows much deeper work to be done on wiki communities in the future.
I'll gladly help and support the idea. I think that just as Mathieu
pointed out, The Journal of Peer Production is a good candidate, since
it is already out there and running (even if low on the radar).
Otherwise, there can be of course a journal dedicated to wiki-related
work, it is quite easy to set it up (e.g. on Open Journal Systems
platform). The key is not setting up a journal, since this is an easy
part, but building a community that would regularly read it and
contribute. In this sense Wikipedia may be a good common ground.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Piotr Konieczny <piokon(a)post.pl> wrote:
So what does it take to get a journal indexed in ISI?
The procedure is quite lengthy and not entirely transparent. In short,
you request being reviewed and from issue X onwards they check how
often an average article from the journal is cited in other ISI
journals. If you go above the threshold, you're in. The problem is
that Thomson arbitrarily decides whether they want to audit a journal,
arbitrarily calculates what constitutes an "article" (yes, it is not
clear - some journals have editorials counted, some don't, in some
cases Thomson calculates the citations for non-articles, but does not
include the number of non-articles in the equation. Scientific, right?
;) invited articles count... or not, research notes - same, etc.). Oh,
and also Thomson arbitrarily may or may not punish by banning you from
ISI for real or imaginary manipulations (such as inbreed citations -
some editors encourage citing other articles from the same journal,
since they count like any others from the ISI list). There's actually
a whole body of literature on journal rankings. Still, this is the
game we have to play.
One key factor in getting ISI is a community to drive the journal - if
Wikipedia research community was widely willing to support one new
journal, received updates etc., it would likely get cited and go off
the ground (the case of "The Academy of Management Learning and
Education" - on the ISI 2 years after the first issue, if I remember
correctly).
Btw, CSCW is on ISI list, but is not open access.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Aaron Halfaker
<aaron.halfaker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Growing WikiSym into an open conference
unfortunately, this does not help in some fields. For instance, in
management/organization studies conference papers don't count at all,
so actually there is a strong incentive not to go to a conference such
as WikiSym, since it results in wasting a paper you cannot really
publish in way that would count. European RAEs rely more and more
heavily on ISI and on ERIH rankings, so also non-ranked journals do
not count anymore.
best,
dariusz