hm,
a. > the dark side
... might be where most bright light bulbs are producing the nicest shades of
shadow ;-)
b. > how can we form research projects around this
maybe by looking at how power is being upheld by those in power instead of
looking at what those should do or have done that have less of it (or seem to
have);
only then look at what could be done to create other hegemonies (maybe
take what Chantal Mouffe is saying re antagonist agonism, in: Agonistics.
Thinking the World Politically, 2013)
best,
Claudia
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Sent:Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:29:55 +0000
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] types of research Re: a cautious note on
genderstats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
This might appear to some to be getting a little
off topic for this list, but if you are beginning
to think that of this thread I would plead for a
little indulgence, and for people to approach this
thread from the angle of how can we form research
projects around this. Like many people I regard
the dark side of the community as a legitimate
topic for research and I would point out that the
foundation is offering grant funds for projects
targeted at the gender gap.
My reversal of Kerry's statement would be more like:
"I think if we can make Wikipedia less attractive
to bullies, I rather suspect we make it a more
attractive place for everyone else."
Since we don't know how to do this (yes there are
some easy part solutions out there, but no magic
bullets, certainly none that wouldn't have
troubling side effects) there is an opportunity
for researchers to make some innovative proposals.
Regards
Jonathan Cardy
> On 17 Feb 2015, at 08:20, koltzenburg(a)w4w.net wrote:
>
> (disclaimer: research-wise, in this thread, I am speaking from a margin
> position in a role maybe similar to the one Shakespeare potrays his fools
in,
> because it is not my field and I only have a
rather vague idea of how
people
> actually undertake such studies)
>
> re
>> I think if we can make Wikipedia more attractive
>> to women, I rather suspect we make it a more
>> attractive place for everyone.
>
> what about yet another reversal game and see what happens:
>
> this would be Kerry's statement from another perspective:
> "I think if we can make Wikipedia less attractive
> to men, I rather suspect we make it a more
> attractive place for everyone."
>
> what kind of reseach design would be needed for this?
>
> best,
> Claudia
>
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Sent:Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:59:35 +1000
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] types of research Re: a cautious note on
genderstats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
I agree the issues are not necessarily about
male-
female interactions. It may be about bully-victim
interactions. I often suspect we are seeing an
online form of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
playing out, where anyone can choose to be the
prison guard enforcing the rules (of which we have
plenty) taking advantage of the lack of real-world
accountability (thanks to pseudonymity).
However, in terms of any kind of metric to measure
progress, I think measuring Male/Female/DontKnow
is a lot more viable than trying to count the
number of bullies and victims (or powerful vs less
powerful).
I think if we can make Wikipedia more attractive
to women, I rather suspect we make it a more
attractive place for everyone.
Kerry
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