That is a lot more than I was expecting from my random samples, I was
expecting total V/E edits to be somewhere near 1% of mainspace edits, More
than 10% of the most active editors using it surprises me. But if you go to
100 in that list you find people doing 33 V/E edits in those thirty days -
these are all people who did over a 100 edits in those thirty days, and the
vast majority of them will have done even fewer V/E edits. So it would be
interesting to see what percentage of these people's edits use V/E, if it
is typically 33 then it will be around 3% - probably not enough to be a
major factor in such an increase in edits.
This sample is after all the promotion of V/E at wikimania and subsequently
on mailing lists and signpost. I would be surprised if as many of these
editors were using V/E in the first 6 months of this year -(I'm 4th on that
list and I don't think I had more than a handful of V/E edits in the 25
months before this summer's Wikimania) .
On 18 August 2015 at 01:04, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I asked her and yes the VE has made a big difference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Megalibrarygirl#Using_the_Visual_Ed…
(for what I said)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#Visual_Editor (for
her reply)
So, one success story!
Kerry
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*Subject:* RE: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English
wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip?
Woo hoo! I’m #9 in the table! But seriously that’s probably less than 10%
of my edits. For that same group, what percentage of their edits does the
VE represent? I notice that #1 on the list User:Megalibrarygirl appears
to be using VE almost exclusively at the present, but started out on the
source editor. Interestingly I notice that among her recent non-VE edits
mention adding infoboxes in the edit summary (which is something which is a
total pain in the VE). This user has also massively increased her number of
edits recently, might be interesting to know if the VE is a factor in this.
I will ask her.
Kerry
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*Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English
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It looks like about 10% of highly active Enwiki editors have used VE in
the past month (across all namespaces):
http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/4795
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On a very non-scientific measure of how few editors currently use V/E, I
took some snapshots of the most recent 500 mainspace edits
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30>yesterday
and was getting circa 1% tagged as visual editor, I've just run two sample
this afternoon and the first had not a single edit tagged Visual editor and
the other only four, so unless some of those experienced users using V/e
have opted out of having their edits tagged V/E, I'm assuming "gobs and
gobs" are either on other language wikis, heavily skewed to a time of day I
haven't sampled or big in number but still too small a proportion to
account for the increase in the number of editors doing >100 edits per
month.
On 17 August 2015 at 15:54, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
There are gobs and gobs* of people using VE. Many of them are experienced
editors.
I'm also interested in looking at VE adoption over time (especially by
veteran editors). I'll sniff around and let y'all know if I find anything.
No idea what might be causing the boost in active editor numbers. But it's
exciting to see :)
Anyone else have data that bears on these questions?
- J
*non-scientific estimate drawn from anecdata
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:53 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's an interesting theory, but are there many people actually using V/E
now?
I've just gone back through recent changes looking for people using it,
and apart from half a dozen newbies I've welcomed I'm really not seeing
many V/E edits.
Looking at the history of Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback&offset=&limit=500&action=history>
the last 500 edits go back three months. So apart from the Interior, you
and I Kerry I'm not sure there is a huge number of people testing it, and I
wasn't testing it in the first 6 months of this year. I did see some
research where they were claiming that retention rates for V/E editors were
now as good as for people using the classic editor, but I would be
surprised if there were enough people using V/E to make a difference to
these figures, especially as this is about the editors doing over 100 edits
a month.
I agree it would be interesting to track the take-up of the VE (fully or
partially) by editor by year of original signup. But I think the long
awaited boost from V?E editing is yet to come, if the regulars have started
to increase that is likely to be due to something else.
Jonathan
On 15 August 2015 at 15:11, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way of telling what proportion of these 8% appear to be using
the Visual Editor either exclusively or partially? It might be interesting
to track the take-up of the VE (fully or partially) by editor by year of
original signup.
Kerry
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*Subject:* [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English
wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip?
Hi,
With 8% more editors contributing over 100 edits in June 2015 than in
June 2014 <https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm>, we have
now had six consecutive months where this particular metric of the core
community is looking positive. One or two months could easily be a
statistical blip, especially when you compare calender months that may have
5 weekends in one year and four the next. But 6 months in a row does begin
to look like a change in pattern.
As far as caveats go I'm aware of several of the reasons why raw edit
count is a suspect measure, but I'm not aware of anything that has come in
in this year that would have artificially inflated edit counts and brought
more of the under 100 editors into the >100 group.
I know there was a recent speedup, which should increase subsequent edit
rates, and one of the edit filters got disabled in June, but neither of
those should be relevant to the Jan-May period.
Would anyone on this list be aware of something that would have otherwise
thrown that statistic?
Otherwise I'm considering submitting something to the Signpost.
Regards
Jonathan
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