Hi Claudia,
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM, <koltzenburg(a)w4w.net> wrote:
but most of
the reactions came - unsurprisingly
good point: and why do you find it unsurprising?
because Wikidata is about
structured data, which in turn plays a key
role in the Semantic Web and in computer sciences more broadly,
whereas it is less central to research in most other fields.
integration of
further fields of research
the questions here would be:
* into what kind of framework are you expecting to "integrate" other fields
of research?
Well, Wikidata, its community and the tools around that.
* what cultures of research will by then be determined
as "standard" into
which the others would then be *made to* fit?
We are not on a quest to label
research cultures, but aim at making
data and metadata from various origins more interoperable and more
easily accessible to broader communities and general-purpose tools.
btw, this might be a testing perspective re sitting
uncomfortably:
where do any results by "the measuring sciences" look strange due to the
framework in which they are presented?
Not sure I understand that question. In any
case, we are by no means
limited to the "measuring sciences" - there may well be no single
measurement in those millions of triples that the European Library
provides and that we would try to slice into chunks useful for
Wikidata. Legal documents, for instance, have been brought up on the
talk page, and while I think they will not fit into this first project
(we have limited resources and no suitable partner for that), I can
well envision follow-ups focusing entirely on issues like that.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:05:05 +0100
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal
Hi Claudia,
thanks for your comments. While we aim at making Wikidata useful for
any field of research, even a successfully completed project is
unlikely to achieve that in one go, so I've changed that phrase to
"across fields of research".
We have tried to reach out to different disciplines (e.g.
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mie…
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mie…
as well as via the blog and social media)
but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly - from the computer
science and Semantic Web corners. I think that is OK, since our aim is
to get the process rolling for a tighter integration of Wikidata with
research - that's why we also set up the WikiProject and hope that the
proposal will just be the first of many of its activities. Once the
first such project has been run (be it ours or a fork thereof or a
different one), integration of further fields of research should be
simpler than it is today.
I was reaching out to Europeana, which resulted in the European
Library signing up to become a partner here, which should help cover
arts and humanities. I have also reached out to mathematicians but did
not receive enthusiasm. I specifically asked for databases about
mathematical concepts or other kind of Wikidata-compatible datasets,
but did not find any. Pointers most welcome, as are further comments
and edits.
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:30 AM, <koltzenburg(a)w4w.net> wrote:
Hi Daniel, thank you for your pointer,
the claim made in the summary
"in any field of research"
needs to be substantiated by data that
* show the usefulness of the project's expected outcome for research
fields
in which proofs do not predominantly rely on measurement but
predominantly
on solidity of argumentation
* outline how the bias towards facticity (Mautpreller 2011) in Wikidata
disadvantages non-propositional kinds of knowledge even though the
purported
claim of Wikipedia is to represent "the sum of all knowledge"
see also the list of project partners,
e.g., representatives of the fields of Maths as well as of Arts &
Humanities
seem to be missing
best,
Claudia Koltzenburg
koltzenburg(a)w4w.net
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Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:20 +0100
Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal
Dear all,
we are drafting a research proposal on establishing Wikidata as a
virtual research environment, as explained in
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2014/12/05/wikidata-for-research-a-grant-proposal-…
.
The proposal is being drafted via
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research
and would benefit from critical review, so we would appreciate your
comments, suggestions and edits.
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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