Dear MacKenzie,
One other thing re those AFD logs, AFD is only one of our deletion
processes, and possibly not the most important one for your purposes.
AFD is a seven day process for articles that are expected to be contentious
deletions. We have other processes that are supposed to be for less
contentious subjects, I suspect that many, possibly most of the articles on
academics that get deleted are via the speedy deletion process, in
particular by code A7 "no credible assertion of importance or
significance". I have seen people argue that merely being a university
professor is not a credible assertion of importance or significance, and
less contentiously (in Wikipedia terms) if the only claim of significance
in an article is that someone is an assistant professor, then I would not
be surprised if the article was deleted per A7.
One problem with articles being deleted per A7 is that unless you can look
at the article you usually don't know whether the article was about the
academic you were interested in or the adolescent "pro skateboarder" of the
same name. Prod and BLPProd will be similar, though I doubt many articles
about academics will have been deleted per BLPProd as that is for
completely unsourced biographies of living people.
Regards
WereSpielChequers
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Mackenzie Lemieux <mackenzie.lemieux(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions
on the topic of
gaining access to deleted articles! I will reach out to
legal(a)wikimedia.org
to inquire about researcher status.
I have one more question, do any of you know if there is a way to look at
the entire history of this page?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Acad…
If
I am unable to gain access to deleted articles, I figured I could try to
parse this page for data on factors leading to article flagging for
deletion, but I would need to go back in time longer than one month as the
page currently only goes back to June 18th.
let me know!
Warmly,
Mackenzie Lemieux
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Hi Mackenie,
You may be correct in either or both of your hypotheses, but you might
also
want to check out two other related ones.
1 Some academic institutions may have an element of misogyny in their HR
policies, leading to such situations as an academic becoming notable for
their work to the point where they merit a Wikipedia article, before they
become a full professor.
2 In Wikipedia's drive to address the gender skew in our content, we may
have some editors creating articles on women who don't yet meet our
notability criteria. Such articles are of course highly likely to be
deleted.
There is another way to approach this, check primary and secondary
sources
to see how Wikipedia compares against them. For
example, we have articles
on every female Fellow of the Royal Society, and we achieved that almost
a
decade ago. I don't know if we yet have
articles on all the blokes.. I
expect we have articles on every Nobel Prize Winner by now, but there
will
be less well known awards and lists of people in
STEM.
One problem in looking at deletion discussions is that they don't always
say what the person is known for, and so you can have confusion between
multiple people of the same name. I was once asked to restore a deleted
article so that someone could look at what was there and see if they
could
make a clearer case re the notability of that
eminent diplomat. After
looking at the deleted article, I told them not to start from the deleted
bit, and if it was the same person, to emphasise their subsequent career
as
a diplomat, rather than their adolescent career
as a "pro skateboarder".
So in order to find the articles on deleted female scientists, you either
need a list of deleted female scientists, or to check a lot of other
articles to find which are scientists.
Hope that's useful
WSC
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 00:17, Stuart A. Yeates <syeates(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I recently completed a project writing en.wiki articles for all female
> and indigenous professors in my country, .nz.
>
> I now write pronounless biographies, because there were a significant
> number whose gender wasn't apparent from their public persona. My
> guess is that women and LGBTIA+ minorities are incentivised to remove
> markers of their gender from their online presence to keep a lower
> profile to avoid the trolls and bigots.
>
> There were also a number who clearly appeared to be a certain
> ethnicity based on their staff photo, but where there were no reliable
> sources as to that ethnicity.
>
> I also had a one person ask for their article to be deleted. [If this
> is of interest I can send details to you directly, but I will not post
> their details to a public forum and ask you refrain from this also.]
>
> I look forward to reading your experimental design taking these
> factors into account.
>
> cheers
> stuart
> --
> ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 06:43, Mackenzie Lemieux
> <mackenzie.lemieux(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Wiki Community,
> >
> > My name is Mackenzie Lemieux and I am a neuroscience researcher at
the
Salk
> Institute for Biological Studies and I am interested in exploring
biases
> on
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> > My research hypothesis is that gender or ethnicity mediate the rate
of
> > flagging and deletion of pages for
women in STEM. I hope to
> > retrospectively analyze Wikipedia's deletion history, harvest the
> > biographical articles about scientists that have been created over
the
> past
> > n years and then confirm the gender and ethnicity of a large sample.
> >
> > It appears that we can identify deleted pages with Wikipedia's
deletion
log
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log>, but to
actually
see
> the page that was deleted we need to be members of one of these
Wikipedia
> > user groups: Administrators
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators>,
Oversighters
> >
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight>, Researchers
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Researchers>, Checkusers
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser>.
> >
> > Does anyone have advice on how to obtain researcher status or is
there
anyone willing to collaborate who has access to the
data we need?
Warmly,
Mackenzie Lemieux
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CICM 2020 -- Conference on Intelligent Computer Mathematics
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Formalizing Undergraduate Mathematics
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