Since we haven't sent a response on the thread for now, I'll share what I know and hopefully we can continue the discussion.
Here are few questions I could gather from the discussions on this thread:
* Do we have a definition for pre-print? We have a working definition but this is not documented anywhere mostly because the OA policy encourages the publication of post-print, and not pre-print: Section D of the FAQ says: "We encourage all authors to deposit post-print manuscripts when possible." and that if the author(s) are going with pre-print (think about it as anything other than post-print), they should apply for the waiver. We have made a note to define and add it, probably to the FAQ https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy/FAQ.
* Do the WMF grants cover the OA fees? This question is best answered by Kacie. My understanding as a researcher working with her is the following: Starting some time in winter 2016, when we consider funding research through grants, we want to ensure that we have funding to support the publication of research that is subject to the OA policy before providing funding. I'm not sure what the situation is for grants approved before this rough time.
* Can one apply for WMF grants to cover OA fees for a research that was not funded by WMF but is about Wikimedia projects? Again, Kacie will be the person who can give the definitive response here. When we discussed this last few months ago, the conclusion was that we don't want to enter this area for now, given that there is at least one constraint and that is the budget for grants, and given this constraint, we want to make sure we work with those who we give grants to, to make sure their work is licensed in a way compatible with the OA policy.
I hope this helps.
Best, Leila
Leila Zia Research Scientist Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
Just a note to re-acknowledge that we have received the questions on this thread and you should expect a response from us by Friday, July 8.
Max, if you are working against a deadline that cannot wait until July 8, please ping me off-list and I'm happy to chat with you more about it.
Best, Leila
-- Leila Zia Research Scientist Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Daniel,
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Mietchen < daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
this situation was actually discussed in detail when the policy was drafted, and it is reflected in two parts of the policy:
- Under "C. Published Materials. Researchers will publish any output
in an Open Access outlet under a Free License.", it states "If a work based on the project is accepted for publication in a peer reviewed outlet that does not make its articles available online, free of charge, and under free licenses, an electronic copy of the author’s accepted manuscript will be submitted to a public and permanently archived repository by the official date of publication, without any embargo period, and released under a Free License." ==> This basically means you can publish in closed-access journals, as long as you make a pre- or postprint openly available.
To clarify: Under the OA policy you are expected to publish the post-print version, and if you cannot, you should ask for a limited waiver. This is explained in Section D, Question 1 in the FAQ https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy/FAQ.
Best, Leila
Cheers,
d.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks, Sydney and Pine.
This is timely, as Resources is currently re-vamping their
instructions for
grant proposals (including research-focused grants). So it's a good
time to
hammer out our policy and process here.
Max: if you're willing to ping me off-list and relate some of the
details of
your conversation, that will help me follow up on the particular issue you're facing right now.
I want this to be clear and easy for grantees going forward—if WMF is funding research, we should be prepared to support the dissemination
of that
research in a way that aligns with our values. In the future, I would
like
to see grantees budget anticipated OA fees into their requests, and a process for vetting this during the proposal review period.
I know there has been some conversation between Research and Resources around this issue in the past, but I don't know if there were decisions made... more likely I'll need to start it back up again. We're all
still
working out the kinks in the OA policy (even staff researchers are
trying to
understand the ramifications for our work).
I'll make sure to notify this list when I learn more.
Jonathan
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sydney Poore <sydney.poore@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Max,
This issue was discussed in the context of a paper about Wikipedia
working
with medical students in the classroom.
See the talk page and endorsements for the discussion that led to the grant being approved. .
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/bluerasberry/open_access_release_...
Sydney
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Maximilian Klein isalix@gmail.com wrote:
Hello All,
As you might know WMF has an Open Access Policy that requires all
work
that they fund to be Open Access[1]. A strange consequence of this
policy,
that I recently ran into, is that it requires researchers funded by
grants
to publish OA -- but without providing any funding to do so. That
is, I
recently completed an Individual Engagement Grant (IEG), part of
whose scope
was explicitly to write a paper about the work[2], and when I wrote
to WMF
to acquire funds for OA publishing, they confirmed that the paper
was under
the OA mandate but indicated that funds were not available to pay
for OA
publishing.
Has anyone else use WMF's Open Access Policy? What was your
experience?
[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index#Acti...
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