The problem is that most of those are not indexed in top tier indexes. For example, my career requires me to publish in SSCI index, and in my field, sociology, do you know how many out of ~120 journals indexed in SSCI are green open access? Zero. WMF grants exist to make research easier, but they also should take into consideration the realities of academic publishing. Personally, I hate to think that my research goes to support parasites like Elsevier and their ilk, but if I publish in the green open access journals I respect, well, my evaluation from the university bureaucrats will not be very respectful to me. So publishing my wiki research in such venues is not an option. Of course, you may say that in such case I should not ask for WMF grants at all, but I do not think that we should penalize researchers who are in fields like sociology - it is not their fault that the OA movement hasn't made much inroads in their field (well, it is, to some degree, but that's going OT). Bottom line is that WMF grants should support research and its dissemination in what is seen as quality journals and related outlets, too. -- Piotr Konieczny, PhD http://hanyang.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=gdV8_AEAAAAJ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus On 6/29/2016 11:01, Stuart A. Yeates wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

what Piotr wrote. If you're a scholar at a research-driven institution, the chances are you are required to publish in SSCI (JCR) journals. The typical OA fees for the journals listed there are 1,000-2,000 USD. dj

Piotr Konieczny, 29/06/2016 07:38: Uh? I sampled a few journals from http://ip-science.thomsonreuters.com/cgi-bin/jrnlst/jlresults.cgi?PC=SS&… and all of them allowed green OA (according to http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php ). Maybe you meant that none of them is gold OA? Reminder: https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/hoap/How_to_make_your_own_work_open_access Nemo _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

Hi Max, This issue was discussed in the context of a paper about Wikipedia working with medical students in the classroom. See the talk page and endorsements for the discussion that led to the grant being approved. . https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/bluerasberry/open_access_release… Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wiki Project Med Foundation WikiWomen's User Group Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

Dear all, this situation was actually discussed in detail when the policy was drafted, and it is reflected in two parts of the policy: - Under "C. Published Materials. Researchers will publish any output in an Open Access outlet under a Free License.", it states "If a work based on the project is accepted for publication in a peer reviewed outlet that does not make its articles available online, free of charge, and under free licenses, an electronic copy of the author’s accepted manuscript will be submitted to a public and permanently archived repository by the official date of publication, without any embargo period, and released under a Free License." ==> This basically means you can publish in closed-access journals, as long as you make a pre- or postprint openly available.

- Under "2. Limited waiver", it states "Specific waivers from the expectations above may be applied in limited circumstances on a case-by-case basis. Researchers wanting a waiver are required to submit to the Wikimedia Foundation, in writing, a detailed explanation of why they require the waiver. The Wikimedia Foundation will publicly post a summary of the request and its response. "

This is also covered in the FAQ, part D, along with limited funding options (cf. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy/FAQ ). Cheers, d. On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: for to details of that like trying to working https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/bluerasberry/open_access_release… policy, grants scope WMF under OA experience? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index#Act… _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

​Hi Daniel,​ On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Mietchen < daniel.mietchen(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: ​To clarify: Under the OA policy you are expected to publish the post-print version, and if you cannot, you should ask for a limited waiver. This is explained in Section D, Question 1 in the FAQ <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy/FAQ>. ​Best, ​Leila​ Cheers,

Thanks, Sydney and Pine. This is timely, as Resources is currently re-vamping their instructions for grant proposals (including research-focused grants). So it's a good time to hammer out our policy and process here. Max: if you're willing to ping me off-list and relate some of the details of your conversation, that will help me follow up on the particular issue you're facing right now. I want this to be clear and easy for grantees going forward—if WMF is funding research, we should be prepared to support the dissemination of that research in a way that aligns with our values. In the future, I would like to see grantees budget anticipated OA fees into their requests, and a process for vetting this during the proposal review period. I know there has been some conversation between Research and Resources around this issue in the past, but I don't know if there were decisions made... more likely I'll need to start it back up again. We're all still working out the kinks in the OA policy (even staff researchers are trying to understand the ramifications for our work). I'll make sure to notify this list when I learn more. Jonathan On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sydney Poore &lt;sydney.poore(a)gmail.com <mailto:sydney.poore@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Max, This issue was discussed in the context of a paper about Wikipedia working with medical students in the classroom. See the talk page and endorsements for the discussion that led to the grant being approved. . https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/bluerasberry/open_access_release… Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wiki Project Med Foundation WikiWomen's User Group Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Maximilian Klein &lt;isalix(a)gmail.com <mailto:isalix@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello All, As you might know WMF has an Open Access Policy that requires all work that they fund to be Open Access[1]. A strange consequence of this policy, that I recently ran into, is that it requires researchers funded by grants to publish OA -- but without providing any funding to do so. That is, I recently completed an Individual Engagement Grant (IEG), part of whose scope was explicitly to write a paper about the work[2], and when I wrote to WMF to acquire funds for OA publishing, they confirmed that the paper was under the OA mandate but indicated that funds were not available to pay for OA publishing. Has anyone else use WMF's Open Access Policy? What was your experience? [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index#Act… Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Senior Design Researcher Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_%28WMF%29> _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

I have a related question: if I have a Wikipedia-research paper, and never applied for any grants from WMF or such, how time consuming and difficult would it be to apply for a grant for the sole purpose of ensuring that my paper is published in an OA outlet? To quote Dariusz for the context, "If you're a scholar at a research-driven institution, the chances are you are required to publish in SSCI (JCR) journals. The typical OA fees for the journals listed there are 1,000-2,000 USD." Currently I just publish in closed access with whatever pre- and post publishing I can, because I was never able to figure out much about the grant system, WMF or otherwise. (Fortunately, my own research is very cheap). But the thought of WMF promoting Wikipedia research by making related papers OA through covering said OA fees is interesting, not only for me but I think it would be beneficial for the community. I will end up saying that as a regular Wikimedia Research Newsletter contributor, we get a lot of non-OA research, including on items that would be interesting for the community members to read, from best practices in teaching to studies on vandalism, reputation, etc. Currently many of such studies are locked behind paywalls, with no pre pr post prints. Educating people about those is one thing, but being able to tell them that WMF has grants to make their work OA would be another good argument to have in our arsenal. Any thoughts on that? -- Piotr Konieczny, PhDhttp://hanyang.academia.edu/PiotrKoniecznyhttp://scholar.google.com/cita… On 6/29/2016 10:49, Maximilian Klein wrote: Hello All, As you might know WMF has an Open Access Policy that requires all work that they fund to be Open Access[1]. A strange consequence of this policy, that I recently ran into, is that it requires researchers funded by grants to publish OA -- but without providing any funding to do so. That is, I recently completed an Individual Engagement Grant (IEG), part of whose scope was explicitly to write a paper about the work[2], and when I wrote to WMF to acquire funds for OA publishing, they confirmed that the paper was under the OA mandate but indicated that funds were not available to pay for OA publishing. Has anyone else use WMF's Open Access Policy? What was your experience? [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index#Act… Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing listWiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l