Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000 From: "Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder" ssnyder@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org, "glam@lists.wikimedia.org" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button Message-ID: CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms-sd1CVKJ1aQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to figure out if this gets postponed again) - Special:Translations&message=Publishpage https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage (translation status) - Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges (translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
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Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say "Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say "Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the same concept for this button.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter < martin.poulter@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000 From: "Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder" ssnyder@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org, "glam@lists.wikimedia.org" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button Message-ID: < CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms-sd1CVKJ1aQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
< https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8...
(translation status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
< https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8...
(translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
-- Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the same concept for this button.
The point I was highlighting was in response to your original comment, by noting that publish doesnt have an equivalent translation in languages either. Yes our challenge has been in the interface translations, as I said its this piece thats delaying the final step. The solution maybe to stay with the english words but we are discussing with various community sources to find a solution.
It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the
word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
On 2 March 2017 at 03:03, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder < ssnyder@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say "Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say "Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the same concept for this button.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter <martin.poulter@bodleian.ox. ac.uk> wrote:
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000 From: "Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder" ssnyder@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org, "glam@lists.wikimedia.org" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button Message-ID: <CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms- sd1CVKJ1aQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special: Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage (translation status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special: Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges (translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
-- Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
Thanks for this clarification. Will this change effect the English version of Wikipedia as well as Wikimedia Commons?
Jos
2017-03-01 20:03 GMT+01:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder < ssnyder@wikimedia.org>:
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say "Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say "Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the same concept for this button.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter <martin.poulter@bodleian.ox. ac.uk> wrote:
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000 From: "Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder" ssnyder@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org, "glam@lists.wikimedia.org" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button Message-ID: <CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms- sd1CVKJ1aQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special: Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage (translation status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special: Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges (translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
-- Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
This change will affect all the wikis except Wikinews (when the deployment is complete), in all languages.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:36 PM Jos Damen josephcmdamen@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for this clarification. Will this change effect the English version of Wikipedia as well as Wikimedia Commons?
Jos
2017-03-01 20:03 GMT+01:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder < ssnyder@wikimedia.org>:
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say "Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say "Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the same concept for this button.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter < martin.poulter@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000 From: "Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder" ssnyder@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org, "glam@lists.wikimedia.org" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button Message-ID: < CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms-sd1CVKJ1aQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
< https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8...
(translation status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
< https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8...
(translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
-- Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation