Hi Arne,
Good question!
It might help if you share the exact Commons-cat the image are in, that helps us better assess the situation. I imagine a number of potential helpouts:
1) I guess asking a Commons admin to delete the already uploaded files and reupload using Pattypan would be the easiest way forward.
2) Assuming all images are in 1 Commons-cat : Use custom replace in VisualFileChange.js? (perhaps with reg exps?)
3) In the GLAMwiki toolset I read " Re-upload media from URL - This checkbox allows you to re-upload media for an item that has already been uploaded to the wiki. If the item already exists because of one of your previous uploads, an additional media file will be added to the wiki. If someone else has already uploaded a new version of the media file, then your new upload will be ignored. If the media file does not yet exist in the wiki, it will be uploaded whether this checkbox is checked or not."
Perhaps this would allow for an upload with better metadata?
4) Assuming all images are in 1 Commons-cat: with some effort you could write a Python script that replaces all the existing 'poor/too short' metadata field values with the better (template based) values
Best, Olaf
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Hi all,
One of our GLAMs was working on a small upload of PD photos from their collection. They were planning to do the upload with Pattypan and use creator, language templates etc. to enrich the metadata as much as possible.
However, these photos were already available on their Flickr account under a PD license with basically the same information about the photos (description was limited anyway). Another user has recently transferred these with Flickr2Commons. So these images are now already on Commons, but their description and other information is not as good as could have been if all available templates etc. had been used.
This is a first for me. I'm aware that nothing could have been done about the Flickr to Commons transfer except not putting them there in the first place, but clearly the current situation is not in our best interest or that of the GLAM and is certainly not a best practice.
Any comments on this? What would be a good way to handle this situation?
Arne Wossink
Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland
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Hi,
Do the already uploaded pictures have a unique id (or some metadata that could be used as such) that would allow for an easy matching between the images on Commons and the entries in the database?
Cheers, Beat
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Hi all,
One of our GLAMs was working on a small upload of PD photos from their collection. They were planning to do the upload with Pattypan and use creator, language templates etc. to enrich the metadata as much as possible.
However, these photos were already available on their Flickr account under a PD license with basically the same information about the photos (description was limited anyway). Another user has recently transferred these with Flickr2Commons. So these images are now already on Commons, but their description and other information is not as good as could have been if all available templates etc. had been used.
This is a first for me. I'm aware that nothing could have been done about the Flickr to Commons transfer except not putting them there in the first place, but clearly the current situation is not in our best interest or that of the GLAM and is certainly not a best practice.
Any comments on this? What would be a good way to handle this situation?
Arne Wossink
Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland
(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday)
Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 E-mail: wossink@wikimedia.nlmailto:wossink@wikimedia.nl
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Yes. The catalogue ID is provided as part of the general description field.
Arne Wossink
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2018-06-11 11:07 GMT+02:00 Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch:
Hi,
Do the already uploaded pictures have a unique id (or some metadata that could be used as such) that would allow for an easy matching between the images on Commons and the entries in the database?
Cheers,
Beat
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Hi all,
One of our GLAMs was working on a small upload of PD photos from their collection. They were planning to do the upload with Pattypan and use creator, language templates etc. to enrich the metadata as much as possible.
However, these photos were already available on their Flickr account under a PD license with basically the same information about the photos (description was limited anyway). Another user has recently transferred these with Flickr2Commons. So these images are now already on Commons, but their description and other information is not as good as could have been if all available templates etc. had been used.
This is a first for me. I'm aware that nothing could have been done about the Flickr to Commons transfer except not putting them there in the first place, but clearly the current situation is not in our best interest or that of the GLAM and is certainly not a best practice.
Any comments on this? What would be a good way to handle this situation?
Arne Wossink
Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland
*(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday)*
Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
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Hi Olaf,
It turns out that only 10 images have already been transferred from Flickr, and the rest isn't (yet) on Commons. So I figured that we'll proceed with the upload as planned, omit the 10 that are already on Commons, and then edit their metadata manually (and let the original uploader know why we're doing that).
This seems like the easiest solution - although a Python script like that would surely be a useful thing to have, not just for this case... :)
Best,
Arne Wossink
Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland
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2018-06-12 15:35 GMT+02:00 Olaf Janssen Olaf.Janssen@kb.nl:
Hi Arne,
Good question!
It might help if you share the exact Commons-cat the image are in, that helps us better assess the situation. I imagine a number of potential helpouts:
- I guess asking a Commons admin to delete the already uploaded files and
reupload using Pattypan would be the easiest way forward.
- Assuming all images are in 1 Commons-cat : Use custom replace in
VisualFileChange.js? (perhaps with reg exps?)
- In the GLAMwiki toolset I read " Re-upload media from URL - This
checkbox allows you to re-upload media for an item that has already been uploaded to the wiki. If the item already exists because of one of your previous uploads, an additional media file will be added to the wiki. If someone else has already uploaded a new version of the media file, then your new upload will be ignored. If the media file does not yet exist in the wiki, it will be uploaded whether this checkbox is checked or not."
Perhaps this would allow for an upload with better metadata?
- Assuming all images are in 1 Commons-cat: with some effort you could
write a Python script that replaces all the existing 'poor/too short' metadata field values with the better (template based) values
Best, Olaf
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- Re: GLAM collection transferred from Flickr (Arne Wossink)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:01:43 +0200 From: Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl To: "Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public]" glam@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [GLAM] GLAM collection transferred from Flickr Message-ID: <CAKrE8mUspsW25_FVDCSPb94swg+pYDynBpGg4Ep2nA9m4eo4Tw@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi all,
One of our GLAMs was working on a small upload of PD photos from their collection. They were planning to do the upload with Pattypan and use creator, language templates etc. to enrich the metadata as much as possible.
However, these photos were already available on their Flickr account under a PD license with basically the same information about the photos (description was limited anyway). Another user has recently transferred these with Flickr2Commons. So these images are now already on Commons, but their description and other information is not as good as could have been if all available templates etc. had been used.
This is a first for me. I'm aware that nothing could have been done about the Flickr to Commons transfer except not putting them there in the first place, but clearly the current situation is not in our best interest or that of the GLAM and is certainly not a best practice.
Any comments on this? What would be a good way to handle this situation?
Arne Wossink
Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland
*(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday)*
Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 E-mail: wossink@wikimedia.nl
*Post/bezoekadres:* Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht