Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=UsAxwCxhYuqwUFctVQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Update, and a request:
The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface.
I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test... In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help...
I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
Cheers, Jutta
Hello,
Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.p...
In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway).
When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used.
(Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
From: jutta.von@cancer.org.au To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=UsAxwCxhYuqwUFctVQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Update, and a request:
The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface.
I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test... In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help...
I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
Cheers, Jutta
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Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.
I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of non-tech minded people.
Sydney Poore
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson < l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.p...
In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway).
When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used.
(Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
From: jutta.von@cancer.org.au To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=UsAxwCxhYuqwUFctVQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Update, and a request:
The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think
about
30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start
editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface.
I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing
Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation : http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics.
'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help...
I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is
"test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
Cheers, Jutta
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By the way, here is the current discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hannibal#Misleading_boilerplate_text_...
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:27:08 -0400 From: sydney.poore@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.
I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of non-tech minded people.
Sydney Poore
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.p...
In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway).
When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used.
(Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
From: jutta.von@cancer.org.au To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
From: Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY-
30=UsAxwCxhYuqwUFctVQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Update, and a request:
The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface.
I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help...
I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
Cheers, Jutta
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