I've created a small guide to editing articles about living people, with a focus on sport people (and Australian Paralympians specifically). If anyone has any feedback on the attached file, that would be really great. I wanted to try to cover issues that tend to be the biggest pit falls in terms of trying to edit articles about living people. The only area that, being self critical, I think may need work is the photographs part... but maybe that can be fixed by linking to another guide? there is a lot more out there regarding uploading pictures than BLP editing.
I've spent the past two or so days working on it and I'm kind of stuck on being more critical of my own stuff so any feedback would be much appreciated. :)
That's a great start!
One thing I'd do... our "acronym soup" can be enormously confusing. I have a tendency to write " enwp.org/WP:BLP ", for instance, but an outsider might need to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_Living_Persons - it's easier for the mind to parse.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.com wrote:
I've created a small guide to editing articles about living people, with a focus on sport people (and Australian Paralympians specifically). If anyone has any feedback on the attached file, that would be really great. I wanted to try to cover issues that tend to be the biggest pit falls in terms of trying to edit articles about living people. The only area that, being self critical, I think may need work is the photographs part... but maybe that can be fixed by linking to another guide? there is a lot more out there regarding uploading pictures than BLP editing.
I've spent the past two or so days working on it and I'm kind of stuck on being more critical of my own stuff so any feedback would be much appreciated. :)
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.orgwrote:
That's a great start!
One thing I'd do... our "acronym soup" can be enormously confusing. I have a tendency to write " enwp.org/WP:BLP ", for instance, but an outsider might need to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_Living_Persons - it's easier for the mind to parse.
I shortened the URLs mostly because this was intended as a print resource. The fewer the letters, the less likely people are to get frustrated with typing. :)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette < philippe@wikimedia.org> wrote:
That's a great start!
One thing I'd do... our "acronym soup" can be enormously confusing. I have a tendency to write " enwp.org/WP:BLP ", for instance, but an outsider might need to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_Living_Persons - it's easier for the mind to parse.
I shortened the URLs mostly because this was intended as a print resource. The fewer the letters, the less likely people are to get frustrated with typing. :)
Right, I understand but disagree. :-) I think it's easier for the mind to parse full words that are long rather than short series of random (to them) letters. :)
pb
But could things be downcased unless there's a good reason not to? See en.WP Manual of Style and most other authorities. Ta.
Tony
On 15/09/2011, at 3:31 PM, Laura Hale wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.org wrote: That's a great start!
One thing I'd do... our "acronym soup" can be enormously confusing. I have a tendency to write " enwp.org/WP:BLP ", for instance, but an outsider might need to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_Living_Persons - it's easier for the mind to parse.
I shortened the URLs mostly because this was intended as a print resource. The fewer the letters, the less likely people are to get frustrated with typing. :)
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously.
Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=... notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other day.
I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously.
Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=... in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
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Speaking of topics that need expansion, there are still HUGE gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of art outside of the United States. For example, there are no articles for "Mexican art", "Polish art", "Swiss art", etc. (not even stubs!) and don't even bother looking for African, South American, or Asian countries.
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/15/11 6:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other day.
I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously. Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia. Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1 <http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1> notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion. So let's not forget Wikiquote!! _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting /Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising./
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There is a portal feminism on Wikisource but it is very under developed.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism
See Josephine K. Henry added to the portal by me in March 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_K._Henry
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Josephine_K._Henry
The portal is not been edited very much since then.
I wrote about Nannie Helen Burroughs on WP and WQ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs
One way to do it is to write an Wikipedia article, upload images to Commons, add their published works to Wikisource, and an entry on Wikiquote with good quotes. It is a very efficient way to do it.
I've done it in the past for a few people. It is a great way to meet new people on the other projects.
Sydney
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other day.
I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously.
Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=... in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
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Hey all, check out Wikisource's main page right now. :-) There are several users whose gender I don't know, but one of Wikisource's currently most active editors, and an administrator, is kathleen.wright5. One of its bureaucrats and village elders is also a woman, BirgitteSB. Inspired by some of the uploads from the National Archives, we recently created a women's suffrage portal (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Women%27s_suffrage), which is slightly misnamed, because a few other documents from related non-suffrage political activism have been since added.
I think several of the sister projects are actually places where it would be easier for women to thrive than the English Wikipedia, especially Wikisource and Wikiquote. These are small communities that have the luxury of nurturing newcomers (and lack the culture of competitive patrolling which puts off newbies), have less bureaucracy, and have less conflict. We can only speculate, but I think a main reason that there is a gender gap on such other projects is just because most projects live in Wikipedia's shadow and new editors only find them through becoming Wikipedia contributors, and those demographics carry over.
Dominic
On 9/15/11 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other day.
I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM, <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously. Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia. Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1 <http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1> notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion. So let's not forget Wikiquote!! _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting /Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising./
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Kathleen is a great example of how the English Wikisource community differs from English Wikipedia.
She was appointed as a sysop in August 2008, after only ~30 'user talk' messages, and only 5 'talk' messages.
http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&targe... http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Administrators/Archives/Kathleen.wr...
(note that we have annual re-confirmation of sysop status)
In the last three years since becoming a sysop, Kathleen has only needed to block five people and delete 100 pages, and that is sufficient reason for her to keep the tools in our quiet backwater of the wiki world.
http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&us... http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=100&typ...
-- John Vandenberg
Just so it doesn't get lost as we look at the details (which is important work, of course) -- I want to jump up and cheer! This is a really good resource, as good and in some respects better than the outreach materials we developed as part of the original Booshelf project: http://bookshelf.wikimedia.org
Through the magic of our IRC chat channel, I've been able to see how incredibly quickly you put this together, Laura -- and having worked on similar materials, I'm super impressed. It's not easy work, but it's very valuable. I hope to see more of this stuff coming out of your work in the Australian sports world.
-Pete