Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli ne-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
Kerry
Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.
The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most news comment areas.
Sydney On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Kerry Raymond" kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli...
Kerry
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*The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most news comment areas.*
Like. Like. LIKE.
Lightbreather
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com wrote:
Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.
The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most news comment areas.
Sydney On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Kerry Raymond" kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli...
Kerry
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The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most >>news >comment areas.
Like. Like. LIKE.
It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby hate speech they inevitably attract, how little is actually done (save making it necessary to have a Facebook account to make the comments, which is a slap in the face to those of us who, for whatever reason, don’t find it necessary to have one) to change that, especially in light of how little could be done to make a considerable improvement in the quality of the comments.
It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our Wikipedia administrators in some instances (cough cough).
Daniel Case
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote:
*>>The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most >>news >comment areas.*
Like. Like. LIKE.
It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby hate speech they inevitably attract, how little is actually done (save making it necessary to have a Facebook account to make the comments, which is a slap in the face to those of us who, for whatever reason, don’t find it necessary to have one) to change that, especially in light of how little could be done to make a considerable improvement in the quality of the comments.
Having been somewhat involved in some of those decisions, active moderation is *very *time-consuming, especially if you haven't baked it into the expectations of commenters from day one. So it is an intimidating decision to make, especially for sites where an angry comments section drives pageviews (and where you can't measure the pageviews you lose because of it).
It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our Wikipedia administrators in some instances (*cough cough*).
Indeed. I suspect encouraging them to become more involved in a broader range of situations is key to any forward progress we make, and with that in mind am particularly looking forward to the results of the admin ally training Inspire grant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training.
Luis
Moderating is not easy. It is just as hard as blocking spam and hacking attacks, but far more resource intensive because it is almost impossible to automate. You need real people moderating full time. And unless they are anonymous, they take a lot of abuse.
Janine
Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote:
/>>The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher participate by women than most >>news
comment areas./ Like. Like. LIKE.
It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby hate speech they inevitably attract, how little is actually done (save making it necessary to have a Facebook account to make the comments, which is a slap in the face to those of us who, for whatever reason, don’t find it necessary to have one) to change that, especially in light of how little could be done to make a considerable improvement in the quality of the comments. It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our Wikipedia administrators in some instances (/cough cough/). Daniel Case
A reminder to women on this list, if there is something you want to discuss privately with other women Wikipedia editors, go to this page - Anita Borg Institute - Systers Technical Interests http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/technical-interests/ - and scroll down, you will see a link to "Join Systers-Wikipedia."
If you would like to know more about the Anita Borg Institute or the Systers list, please visit:
- Anita Borg Institute http://anitaborg.org/ - Systers http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/
*I encourage everyone to keep commenting on this discussion here*, but I want to remind women WP editors that there is a private, women-only list for when you feel the need. FWIW: Applicants are vetted.
Lightbreather
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli...
Kerry
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