The BBC broadcast a half hour documentary on Saturday called 'Guns, Girls and Games' which deals with sexual harassment in video games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s9jly
Two of the women interviewed in the programme run websites which try to highlight harassment and misogyny in online games:
http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ http://www.notinthekitchenanymore.com/
They also briefly discussed the homophobia and racism present in some gaming communities.
Incidentally, Xbox Live's response to homophobia is a perfect example of how to not solve these kinds of problems. They simply made it so users couldn't express their sexual orientation on their profiles. 'Cos, you know, the best way to make gay users feel like comfortable and welcome members of a community is to force them back in the closet for their own protection…
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
hi @all,
it seems to me the WP needs a mailingslist or other outlet for sex issues of all shades since there seem to be quite a few who think it belongs in the gendergap list - exclusively...?
best, Claudia
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:13:42 +0100, Tom Morris wrote
The BBC broadcast a half hour documentary on Saturday called 'Guns, Girls and Games' which deals with sexual harassment in video games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s9jly
Two of the women interviewed in the programme run websites which try to highlight harassment and misogyny in online games:
http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ http://www.notinthekitchenanymore.com/
They also briefly discussed the homophobia and racism present in some gaming communities.
Incidentally, Xbox Live's response to homophobia is a perfect example of how to not solve these kinds of problems. They simply made it so users couldn't express their sexual orientation on their profiles. 'Cos, you know, the best way to make gay users feel like comfortable and welcome members of a community is to force them back in the closet for their own protection…
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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thanks & cheers, Claudia koltzenburg@w4w.net
On 6/4/12 5:29 AM, koltzenburg@w4w.net wrote:
hi @all,
it seems to me the WP needs a mailingslist or other outlet for sex issues of all shades since there seem to be quite a few who think it belongs in the gendergap list - exclusively...?
I do believe that sexual harassment directed towards women does effect the gender gap - perhaps not so much, but, after my Women and Wikimedia Survey almost half of women did state that they were assaulted or harassed on Wikipedia in some context and almost half said no, that's more than women said a sexualized environment was impacting them. For me, this is more deterimental then the accidental stumbling upon of porn on Wikipedia. There have been moments in my Wikipedia-existence that I have wanted to leave the community due to harassment, and I know I'm surely not the only woman on this list who feels that way. I always like reading about how people are handling situations like this on the internet, as I can only learn from them.
So, whether it's deterring current or future editors, I do think it's more relevant than pornography at this time.
But, perhaps I'm wrong!
-Sarah
Claudia On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:13:42 +0100, Tom Morris wrote
The BBC broadcast a half hour documentary on Saturday called 'Guns, Girls and Games' which deals with sexual harassment in video games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s9jly
Two of the women interviewed in the programme run websites which try to highlight harassment and misogyny in online games:
http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ http://www.notinthekitchenanymore.com/
They also briefly discussed the homophobia and racism present in some gaming communities.
Incidentally, Xbox Live's response to homophobia is a perfect example of how to not solve these kinds of problems. They simply made it so users couldn't express their sexual orientation on their profiles. 'Cos, you know, the best way to make gay users feel like comfortable and welcome members of a community is to force them back in the closet for their own protection…
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
thanks& cheers, Claudia koltzenburg@w4w.net
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I do believe that sexual harassment directed towards women does effect the gender gap - perhaps not so much, but, after my Women and Wikimedia Survey almost half of women did state that they were assaulted or harassed on Wikipedia in some context and almost half said no, that's more than women said a sexualized environment was impacting them. For me, this is more deterimental then the accidental stumbling upon of porn on Wikipedia. There have been moments in my Wikipedia-existence that I have wanted to leave the community due to harassment, and I know I'm surely not the only woman on this list who feels that way. I always like reading about how people are handling situations like this on the internet, as I can only learn from them.
So, whether it's deterring current or future editors, I do think it's more relevant than pornography at this time.
But, perhaps I'm wrong!
-Sarah
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
~Nathan
On 4 June 2012 13:34, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I do believe that sexual harassment directed towards women does effect the gender gap - perhaps not so much, but, after my Women and Wikimedia Survey almost half of women did state that they were assaulted or harassed on Wikipedia in some context and almost half said no, that's more than women said a sexualized environment was impacting them. For me, this is more deterimental then the accidental stumbling upon of porn on Wikipedia. There have been moments in my Wikipedia-existence that I have wanted to leave the community due to harassment, and I know I'm surely not the only woman on this list who feels that way. I always like reading about how people are handling situations like this on the internet, as I can only learn from them.
So, whether it's deterring current or future editors, I do think it's more relevant than pornography at this time.
But, perhaps I'm wrong!
-Sarah
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
That's a good question, Nathan. In my workplace, we classify assaults as physical and verbal; I suppose from the WMF-project perspective, we'd be looking at (mainly) verbal assaults, either onwiki or via email.
There have been some genuine, documented stalking situations (in the true sense of the word, with off-wiki contacts that include phone calls and sometimes even a physical presence), but they are presumably quite rare.
I'd also say that neither are limited to being directed at female users; however, particularly given the small number of women editing on the projects, I suspect that they are disproportionately at the receiving end of such behaviour. I have no evidence that this is the case, though.
Risker/Anne
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 June 2012 13:34, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I do believe that sexual harassment directed towards women does effect the gender gap - perhaps not so much, but, after my Women and Wikimedia Survey almost half of women did state that they were assaulted or harassed on Wikipedia in some context and almost half said no, that's more than women said a sexualized environment was impacting them. For me, this is more deterimental then the accidental stumbling upon of porn on Wikipedia. There have been moments in my Wikipedia-existence that I have wanted to leave the community due to harassment, and I know I'm surely not the only woman on this list who feels that way. I always like reading about how people are handling situations like this on the internet, as I can only learn from them.
So, whether it's deterring current or future editors, I do think it's more relevant than pornography at this time.
But, perhaps I'm wrong!
-Sarah
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
That's a good question, Nathan. In my workplace, we classify assaults as physical and verbal; I suppose from the WMF-project perspective, we'd be looking at (mainly) verbal assaults, either onwiki or via email.
There have been some genuine, documented stalking situations (in the true sense of the word, with off-wiki contacts that include phone calls and sometimes even a physical presence), but they are presumably quite rare.
I'd also say that neither are limited to being directed at female users; however, particularly given the small number of women editing on the projects, I suspect that they are disproportionately at the receiving end of such behaviour. I have no evidence that this is the case, though.
Risker/Anne
Ok. To ask a follow-up, and I'm sorry if this is a dense question but I genuinely don't have the answer, what is an example of a verbal assault? I understand the wiki-parameters of harassment, and can recognize insults and rude behavior etc., but I'm just not sure what I would classify as an assault among purely text-based exchanges.
~Nathan
On 4 June 2012 16:11, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 June 2012 13:34, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I do believe that sexual harassment directed towards women does effect the gender gap - perhaps not so much, but, after my Women and Wikimedia Survey almost half of women did state that they were assaulted or harassed on Wikipedia in some context and almost half said no, that's more than women said a sexualized environment was impacting them. For me, this is more deterimental then the accidental stumbling upon of porn on Wikipedia. There have been moments in my Wikipedia-existence that I have wanted to leave the community due to harassment, and I know I'm surely not the only woman on this list who feels that way. I always like reading about how people are handling situations like this on the internet, as I can only learn from them.
So, whether it's deterring current or future editors, I do think it's more relevant than pornography at this time.
But, perhaps I'm wrong!
-Sarah
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
That's a good question, Nathan. In my workplace, we classify assaults as physical and verbal; I suppose from the WMF-project perspective, we'd be looking at (mainly) verbal assaults, either onwiki or via email.
There have been some genuine, documented stalking situations (in the true sense of the word, with off-wiki contacts that include phone calls and sometimes even a physical presence), but they are presumably quite rare.
I'd also say that neither are limited to being directed at female users; however, particularly given the small number of women editing on the projects, I suspect that they are disproportionately at the receiving end of such behaviour. I have no evidence that this is the case, though.
Risker/Anne
Ok. To ask a follow-up, and I'm sorry if this is a dense question but I genuinely don't have the answer, what is an example of a verbal assault? I understand the wiki-parameters of harassment, and can recognize insults and rude behavior etc., but I'm just not sure what I would classify as an assault among purely text-based exchanges.
I'd suggest it would be blatant personal attacks as opposed to the lower level harassment. I can remember once reading "You're so useless, I wouldn't even clean the toilet with you", and was only sad that another admin beat me to the block button for that one. I remember when we were taking our "safe workplace training", the educators said that verbal assaults left the victim feeling essentially the same as if they had been physically attacked, except for the physical injury: that is, humiliated, powerless, shocked and "beaten". They described it as "the way you'd feel if someone slapped your face, except that your cheek doesn't hurt".
Maybe others could give some examples of where they'd say verbal aggression went beyond annoying into what they might feel is verbal assault?
Risker/Anne
On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Nathan wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 June 2012 13:34, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
That's a good question, Nathan. In my workplace, we classify assaults as physical and verbal; I suppose from the WMF-project perspective, we'd be looking at (mainly) verbal assaults, either onwiki or via email.
There have been some genuine, documented stalking situations (in the true sense of the word, with off-wiki contacts that include phone calls and sometimes even a physical presence), but they are presumably quite rare.
I'd also say that neither are limited to being directed at female users; however, particularly given the small number of women editing on the projects, I suspect that they are disproportionately at the receiving end of such behaviour. I have no evidence that this is the case, though.
Risker/Anne
Ok. To ask a follow-up, and I'm sorry if this is a dense question but I genuinely don't have the answer, what is an example of a verbal assault? I understand the wiki-parameters of harassment, and can recognize insults and rude behavior etc., but I'm just not sure what I would classify as an assault among purely text-based exchanges.
Hi Nathan,
Here's a somewhat extreme example of what could be called a 'verbal assault' based on one's gender;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWondergay&diff=401...
I kept this one bookmarked because of the 'wow' factor, but there are dozens and dozens of others.
-- Allie (User:Alison)
I think, in this context, "verbal" means "using words to communicate", not "using speech to communicate". So, verbal assault would be "assault with words", not "assault with speech".
From, Emily
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alison Cassidy cooties@mac.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Nathan wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 June 2012 13:34, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
In the context of Wikipedia editing, what does it mean to have been "assaulted"?
That's a good question, Nathan. In my workplace, we classify assaults as physical and verbal; I suppose from the WMF-project perspective, we'd be looking at (mainly) verbal assaults, either onwiki or via email.
There have been some genuine, documented stalking situations (in the true sense of the word, with off-wiki contacts that include phone calls and sometimes even a physical presence), but they are presumably quite rare.
I'd also say that neither are limited to being directed at female users; however, particularly given the small number of women editing on the projects, I suspect that they are disproportionately at the receiving end of such behaviour. I have no evidence that this is the case, though.
Risker/Anne
Ok. To ask a follow-up, and I'm sorry if this is a dense question but I genuinely don't have the answer, what is an example of a verbal assault? I understand the wiki-parameters of harassment, and can recognize insults and rude behavior etc., but I'm just not sure what I would classify as an assault among purely text-based exchanges.
Hi Nathan,
Here's a somewhat extreme example of what could be called a 'verbal assault' based on one's gender;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWondergay&diff=401...
I kept this one bookmarked because of the 'wow' factor, but there are dozens and dozens of others.
-- Allie (User:Alison)
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