It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett
The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights"
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett
The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights"
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Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
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i see brainyj drove by tag-spamed it , 2 years ago recently, they can't be bothered with AfD, especially with old material they concentrate on biting new editors articles.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
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Speaking of drive-by tagging, is there some reason for the existence of this page about a "game" that encourages tag-spamming of articles about women? It seems there has been some concern about that user's account being compromised as well..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias...
If users are going to assess articles, it seems they should be doing it according to some standard, for instance see the WikiProject Opera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Opera/Assessment#Opera_a...
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:25 PM, J Hayes slowking4@gmail.com wrote:
i see brainyj drove by tag-spamed it , 2 years ago...
The book may be notable while the author is not. It sounds like it's a rehash of Joanna Russ' classic HOW TO SUPPRESS WOMEN'S WRITING.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
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With Ruth having published articles in peer reviewed journals multiple times that have been directly responded to by dozens of times, having her work and ideas forming a significant part of a book by KS Coleman that directly talks about Ruth's life experences, mentions her full name 20+ times as both a source of information and about life details related to Ruth, having some details of her life included in both a Thomsan-Gale encyclopedia regarding LGBT topcs and a separate encyclopedia about Wiccan and Neopagan traditions, as well as many other articles, including book reviews, there's no question that she passes both WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. These cites are not in the article but it took me approximately 115 second (I timed it) to find them without having journal access configured. I seriously doubt the article would've challenged if it were about a dude.
If you're going to tag something as non-notable, you should probably take two minutes before doing so.
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On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
The book may be notable while the author is not. It sounds like it's a rehash of Joanna Russ' classic HOW TO SUPPRESS WOMEN'S WRITING.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net
wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
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I wrote, "The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources". AS WRITTEN. I would have been equally dismissive of a guy name Ron who claimed to be part of a Odinic priesthood; no more and no less.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
With Ruth having published articles in peer reviewed journals multiple times that have been directly responded to by dozens of times, having her work and ideas forming a significant part of a book by KS Coleman that directly talks about Ruth's life experences, mentions her full name 20+ times as both a source of information and about life details related to Ruth, having some details of her life included in both a Thomsan-Gale encyclopedia regarding LGBT topcs and a separate encyclopedia about Wiccan and Neopagan traditions, as well as many other articles, including book reviews, there's no question that she passes both WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. These cites are not in the article but it took me approximately 115 second (I timed it) to find them without having journal access configured. I seriously doubt the article would've challenged if it were about a dude.
If you're going to tag something as non-notable, you should probably take two minutes before doing so.
Kevin Gorman
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
The book may be notable while the author is not. It sounds like it's a rehash of Joanna Russ' classic HOW TO SUPPRESS WOMEN'S WRITING.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Carol Moore dc < carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgTo manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
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You're absolutely correct that the article does not have sufficient cites in it to establish notability, but reread that sentence. "No assertions, plausible or otherwise of notability" - that's a big difference than what is required to pass an AfD, and the tag didn't belong here. The article contains assertions of notability that are not outlandish, even if they are not well cited - and what you wrote actually specifies that even assertions of notability that are not plausible or cited are enough to not warrant the tag.. You might tag an article about Ron similarly (although the tag wouldn't fit there either,) but it's an article that needs expansion, not a notability tag that literally does not match the article - and most ENWPian's are a lot more likely to tag (or AFD) Ruth than Ron.
---- Kevin Gorman
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote, "The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources". AS WRITTEN. I would have been equally dismissive of a guy name Ron who claimed to be part of a Odinic priesthood; no more and no less.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
With Ruth having published articles in peer reviewed journals multiple times that have been directly responded to by dozens of times, having her work and ideas forming a significant part of a book by KS Coleman that directly talks about Ruth's life experences, mentions her full name 20+ times as both a source of information and about life details related to Ruth, having some details of her life included in both a Thomsan-Gale encyclopedia regarding LGBT topcs and a separate encyclopedia about Wiccan and Neopagan traditions, as well as many other articles, including book reviews, there's no question that she passes both WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. These cites are not in the article but it took me approximately 115 second (I timed it) to find them without having journal access configured. I seriously doubt the article would've challenged if it were about a dude.
If you're going to tag something as non-notable, you should probably take two minutes before doing so.
Kevin Gorman
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
The book may be notable while the author is not. It sounds like it's a rehash of Joanna Russ' classic HOW TO SUPPRESS WOMEN'S WRITING.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Carol Moore dc < carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Interview published yesterday: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/aloneinherpresence/2016/06/interview-ruth-barre...
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
You're absolutely correct that the article does not have sufficient cites in it to establish notability, but reread that sentence. "No assertions, plausible or otherwise of notability" - that's a big difference than what is required to pass an AfD, and the tag didn't belong here. The article contains assertions of notability that are not outlandish, even if they are not well cited - and what you wrote actually specifies that even assertions of notability that are not plausible or cited are enough to not warrant the tag.. You might tag an article about Ron similarly (although the tag wouldn't fit there either,) but it's an article that needs expansion, not a notability tag that literally does not match the article - and most ENWPian's are a lot more likely to tag (or AFD) Ruth than Ron.
Kevin Gorman
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote, "The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources". AS WRITTEN. I would have been equally dismissive of a guy name Ron who claimed to be part of a Odinic priesthood; no more and no less.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
With Ruth having published articles in peer reviewed journals multiple times that have been directly responded to by dozens of times, having her work and ideas forming a significant part of a book by KS Coleman that directly talks about Ruth's life experences, mentions her full name 20+ times as both a source of information and about life details related to Ruth, having some details of her life included in both a Thomsan-Gale encyclopedia regarding LGBT topcs and a separate encyclopedia about Wiccan and Neopagan traditions, as well as many other articles, including book reviews, there's no question that she passes both WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. These cites are not in the article but it took me approximately 115 second (I timed it) to find them without having journal access configured. I seriously doubt the article would've challenged if it were about a dude.
If you're going to tag something as non-notable, you should probably take two minutes before doing so.
Kevin Gorman
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike@gmail.com
wrote:
The book may be notable while the author is not. It sounds like it's a rehash of Joanna Russ' classic HOW TO SUPPRESS WOMEN'S WRITING.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Carol Moore dc < carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Dang, I should have found some refs first. See how out of practice I am! I was sure I'd read it already was discussed by Time or something.
I'm sure that the bio will be quickly deleted, even after the book published and reviewed, while thousands of male bios with no refs survive. Sigh...
On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources".
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In caseanyone wants to work on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the Female Sex, and Human Rights" _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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