Stumbled across this tonight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTTIE
I have never seen that before!
"For example, as a general rule, girls named Tiffany and Alicia are almost always hot. Girls named Bertha and Bessie... not so much."
Er, at least there's males listed under the "see also" section. That doesn't change my opinion of this "essay", though. It's clearly sexist.
Perhaps talk to GlassCobra about this?
From, Emily
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
Stumbled across this tonight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTTIE
I have never seen that before!
"For example, as a general rule, girls named Tiffany and Alicia are almost always hot. Girls named Bertha and Bessie... not so much."
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Meh, it's a relic of a different era on Wikipedia. Almost all of the people who have edited are, like GlassCobra, admins or former admins. Its also in his userspace, not the Wikipedia: namespace.
What concerns me is that a newbie, with a penchant of getting on the "weird sides" of websites like I do, might find it.
From, Emily
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Meh, it's a relic of a different era on Wikipedia. Almost all of the people who have edited are, like GlassCobra, admins or former admins. Its also in his userspace, not the Wikipedia: namespace.
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.comwrote:
What concerns me is that a newbie, with a penchant of getting on the "weird sides" of websites like I do, might find it.
From, Emily
What about that concerns you? Incidentally I've nom'd the redirect for deletion.
It might turn them off from editing Wikipedia if they believe in respecting women.
From, Emily
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.comwrote:
What concerns me is that a newbie, with a penchant of getting on the "weird sides" of websites like I do, might find it.
From, Emily
What about that concerns you? Incidentally I've nom'd the redirect for deletion.
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On 16 November 2013 19:55, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Stumbled across this tonight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTTIE
I have never seen that before!
"For example, as a general rule, girls named Tiffany and Alicia are almost always hot. Girls named Bertha and Bessie... not so much."
Just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_nota... now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this sure as heck doesn't belong in Wikipedia space!
Risker/Anne
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 November 2013 19:55, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Stumbled across this tonight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTTIE
I have never seen that before!
"For example, as a general rule, girls named Tiffany and Alicia are almost always hot. Girls named Bertha and Bessie... not so much."
Just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_nota... is now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this sure as heck doesn't belong in Wikipedia space!
Is there a policy/guideline against 'WP:' shortcuts that go to userspace?
We have a few categorised here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_to_user_namespace ... and obviously there are some which are not categorised like HOTTIE and FUGLY (see below).
Ryan Kaldari tried to delete WP:HOTTIE via process in 2010 and was rejected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2010_Au...
It was also attempted in 2007:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2007_No...
And in 2009 the redirect which was about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FUGLY was also not deleted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2009_Ju...
WP:HOTTIE at least is an attempt to be a sarcastic critic of notability and WP:AFD which is IMO pretty accurate ( or was when I hung out in those parts ), and WP:FUGLY probably tries to do the same, but doesnt have nearly the same value. If the reader doesnt see a lot of AFDs, WP:HOTTIE doesnt give enough context to be meaningful.
I think we should have a policy that WP:[anything] shortcuts lead the reader to something in Wikipedia: space, but it may be hard to convince the community that userspace pages cant have a shortcut, especially when they have 250 incoming links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:H...
We don''t have a shortcut prefix for userspace essays listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut#List_of_prefixes
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
What about that concerns you? Incidentally I've nom'd the redirect for deletion.
which is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2013_No...
-- John Vandenberg
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_nota... now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this sure as heck doesn't belong in Wikipedia space!
Risker/Anne
WP:HOTTIE continues to function (it's a redirect). It looks like you just removed the notice of the shortcut from the essay.
Certainly there's a better way to critique notability in ways that aren't sexualized?
From, Emily
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_nota... now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this sure as heck doesn't belong in Wikipedia space!
Risker/Anne
WP:HOTTIE continues to function (it's a redirect). It looks like you just removed the notice of the shortcut from the essay.
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On 11/17/2013 3:02 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
Certainly there's a better way to critique notability in ways that aren't sexualized?
From, Emily
Maybe someone should write an alternate analysis of the phrase, put it on their user page, redirect to it, and then let the debate begin :-)
(I'd like to just redirect it to a photo of me on wikicommons, but that probably would get me in trouble :-)
Hi an e-mail from an experience I think it is very powerfull and perhaps some creative synergies with the gendergap work. Cheers! Mayo
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YOPO deploys a women-based model with multiple stakeholders, democratic management and bearing a co-creation, non exploitative nature. We are a one-of-a-kind endeavor, rarely compatible with standard schemes, yet very effectively impacting some societal issues.
We are at the crossroad between impact, gender and mobile, and our experience is that impact investing is not transparent enough to include gender issues and violence against women among its impact investment priorities. A coincidence?
YOPO is closely supporting the evolution of the investment area "gender lens", contributing with our own internal research: one on FEM-innovation as an advantage for social enterprises, and one on the Negative Externalities economy formula with a peculiar angle - gender issues and VAW emergencies impairing the ROI of some traditional markets and investment (an angle promising relevant untapped financial resources to fight VAW and gender inequality).
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Our planned next step is our Latin America “node” in São Paulo, Brazil, a context that today represents maybe an ideal social innovation lab.
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I looked at the website after reading the forwarded e-mail, but I'm unable to determine what it is that YOPO actually does. Maybe I'm having a hard time getting past the obfuscating techie/MBA language. Do you know, Mayo, what products or services YOPO offers or intends to offer?
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what this means, either.
However, since they seem to starting out with sexual violence specifically, then moving on to human trafficking survivors, and asylum seekers, I'm not sure how we can collaborate with that.
On 11/21/13, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I looked at the website after reading the forwarded e-mail, but I'm unable to determine what it is that YOPO actually does. Maybe I'm having a hard time getting past the obfuscating techie/MBA language. Do you know, Mayo, what products or services YOPO offers or intends to offer?
