Was thinking about reforming wikipedia again! (fool that I am) and I started fantasizing about running into some billionaires I used to know and suggesting they just grab a mirror of Wikipedia and do it the right way....
Well, anyway, to make a long story, short I ran into this Wikipedia page that tells you the copyright compliant way to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks
And various interesting things when I searched: https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+mirror+sites&ie=utf-8&oe=u...
It does seem in the past there were some mirror sights that would jump up and be very up-to-date, but for whatever reason don't seem to run into them as much as in the past.
Well, back to reality, but just in case there are any pissed off multimillionaires in the audience :-)
CM
You should try out Wikia. Make a "female friendly" Wikipedia, or something like that. On Jan 9, 2015 7:33 PM, "Carol Moore dc" carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Was thinking about reforming wikipedia again! (fool that I am) and I started fantasizing about running into some billionaires I used to know and suggesting they just grab a mirror of Wikipedia and do it the right way....
Well, anyway, to make a long story, short I ran into this Wikipedia page that tells you the copyright compliant way to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks
And various interesting things when I searched: https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+mirror+sites&ie=utf-8&oe=u...
It does seem in the past there were some mirror sights that would jump up and be very up-to-date, but for whatever reason don't seem to run into them as much as in the past.
Well, back to reality, but just in case there are any pissed off multimillionaires in the audience :-)
CM
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On 1/9/2015 7:37 PM, JJ Marr wrote:
You should try out Wikia. Make a "female friendly" Wikipedia, or something like that.
Thanks. Have been meaning to explore it for other uses. Did see http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page which was pretty amusing...
It could be a place to do a "Women's practice wiki" with links to Wikipedia policy pages. Thus it could be both a "safe place", a place to vent and seek advice, a place to practice proposed policies that are more women-friendly, etc. - all without being someplace that marginalizes women, which seems to be the main complaint...
Would have to look at the software options...
Thoughts on this more practical, less adventurous option??
CM
Well, IMHO, I recommend wikipedia-en-help for help, the people there are great and polite, and will help you with almost any editing issue you can think of. Recommend people to it if you can, we need a break from obviously COI editors who need to be explained the exact rationale behind rejections of AfC drafts.
Start your wiki, but beware of echo chambers! You might come up with a great idea, that everyone on the small wiki might agree with, but when you actually propose it, it'll get shot down because it wasn't palatable to the wider Wikipedia community. On Jan 10, 2015 10:28 AM, "Carol Moore dc" carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/9/2015 7:37 PM, JJ Marr wrote:
You should try out Wikia. Make a "female friendly" Wikipedia, or something like that.
Thanks. Have been meaning to explore it for other uses. Did see
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page which was pretty amusing...
It could be a place to do a "Women's practice wiki" with links to Wikipedia policy pages. Thus it could be both a "safe place", a place to vent and seek advice, a place to practice proposed policies that are more women-friendly, etc. - all without being someplace that marginalizes women, which seems to be the main complaint...
Would have to look at the software options...
Thoughts on this more practical, less adventurous option??
CM
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On 10/01/15 15:28, Carol Moore dc wrote:
On 1/9/2015 7:37 PM, JJ Marr wrote:
You should try out Wikia. Make a "female friendly" Wikipedia, or something like that.
Thanks. Have been meaning to explore it for other uses. Did see http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page which was pretty amusing...
If you do decide to make a separate wiki for whatever reason, I'd suggest against Wikia with Uncyclopedia as a prime example of why it can be a bad idea - create or move a wiki there, and Wikia will never let you leave. Uncyclopedia, for instance, LEFT Wikia two years ago, but Wikia's practice is to keep the site there, and as a result, google searches still lead to that and not the new, much more active one at uncyclopedia.co.
If you register a domain and trademarks for your site ahead of time, this can help mitigate the damage as they will be forced to rename their copy should you later decide to leave, but they'll still keep up a mirror, and depending on how people were linking to it, google may decide that this mirror is still the main site later, again leading back to what Bjoern said.
You'd have enough battles to fight without having to deal with this sort of thing.
-I
* Carol Moore dc wrote:
Was thinking about reforming wikipedia again! (fool that I am) and I started fantasizing about running into some billionaires I used to know and suggesting they just grab a mirror of Wikipedia and do it the right way....
Well, anyway, to make a long story, short I ran into this Wikipedia page that tells you the copyright compliant way to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks
And various interesting things when I searched: https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+mirror+sites&ie=utf-8&oe=u...
It does seem in the past there were some mirror sights that would jump up and be very up-to-date, but for whatever reason don't seem to run into them as much as in the past.
Google has taken various active steps over the years towards penalising mirror sites, including Wikipedia mirrors.
On 1/9/2015 8:23 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
Google has taken various active steps over the years towards penalising mirror sites, including Wikipedia mirrors.
Guess you just saved someone a couple million bucks :-)
Though obviously companies/nonprofits with a lot of clout could always discuss the matter with Google, especially if Wikipedia was not hostile to idea...
But on a more realistic note, one of these days I'll catch up on a couple years of personal projects I'm wading through and have the MASTER LIST of proposed reforms (categorized, including by ones I like the most :-) and put them on my carolmoore.net/wikipedia page...
CM