Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire
This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
On 3/4/2015 2:11 PM, Alex Wang wrote:
Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
This is great and a motivation for us to go through past and new ideas and add our favorites. I have an extensive (though somewhat disorganized) list of my and others' ideas and will add a thing or two that you all do not add.
I do think our top priority should be something like this for Wikipedia: http://leanin.org/news-inspiration/getting-to-5050-whats-in-it-for-men/ If more guys would stand up to the more abusive guys instead of staying silent, it would solve probably half of our problems with bias, insults, harassment, etc.
Major note: The talk page is almost exclusively put downs of the project and even of women. I will have to re-read more carefully and reply to at least the worst one(s). Hope a few people will do so as well.
CM
Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_... this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender.
Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%. This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem.
Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang awang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire
This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
-- Alexandra Wang Program Officer Project & Event Grants Wikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home +1 415-839-6885 Skype: alexvwang
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If memory serves, another survey (not sure if before or after the 9%, or where to find it, off the top of my head - maybe someone else remembers?) came up with something like 13% female. So my guess is they added in some margin of error, and decided "less than 20%" was the most accurate way to characterize "maybe 9% or 13% or something in that vicinity, give or take some percentage points".
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_... this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender.
Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%. This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem.
Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang awang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire
This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
-- Alexandra Wang Program Officer Project & Event Grants Wikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home +1 415-839-6885 Skype: alexvwang
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Hi Katherine,
The 13% number you refer to may come from this 2010 survey by the Collaborative Creativity Group at UNU-MERIT [a joint research and training centre of United Nations University (UNU) and Maastricht University]:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110713180348/http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/
Here’s the survey report PDF:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110728182429/http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/doc...
We have been citing this survey in recent blog posts. But we would be grateful for any leads to other research that could help determine these numbers more accurately.
For now, a general range may be more reasonable, given that numbers vary between surveys and that they were conducted several years ago.
If anyone on this list would like to help prepare a factual round-up of research studies about women and gender diversity, we would be interested in publishing an update on the blog, as part of this month's focus on these topics.
Best regards,
Fabrice
_______________________________
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
On Mar 5, 2015, at 6:21 AM, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
If memory serves, another survey (not sure if before or after the 9%, or where to find it, off the top of my head - maybe someone else remembers?) came up with something like 13% female. So my guess is they added in some margin of error, and decided "less than 20%" was the most accurate way to characterize "maybe 9% or 13% or something in that vicinity, give or take some percentage points".
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com mailto:neotarf@gmail.com> wrote: Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_topline.pdf this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender.
Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%. This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem.
Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang <awang@wikimedia.org mailto:awang@wikimedia.org> wrote: Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
-- Alexandra Wang Program Officer Project & Event Grants Wikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home +1 415-839-6885 tel:%2B1%20415-839-6885 Skype: alexvwang
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On Mar 5, 2015 6:22 AM, "Katherine Casey" fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
If memory serves, another survey (not sure if before or after the 9%, or
where to find it, off the top of my head - maybe someone else remembers?) came up with something like 13% female. So my guess is they added in some margin of error, and decided "less than 20%" was the most accurate way to characterize "maybe 9% or 13% or something in that vicinity, give or take some percentage points".
This, exactly. "Maybe 8.5, 13 or even 16% or so depending on the methodology" doesn't fit on a banner, where brevity is key. We simply don't have one good precise stat that I'm comfortable citing succinctly, other than "its complicated, and under 20%, and still a problem." I don't expect the 2012 editor survey results will give us much more, honestly, than we already know. I'd like to see us working towards a 2015/6 stat though, preferably via repeatable methods that allow for tracking trends over time :)
Would be great to see some additional ways of thinking about measuring the gap, too, as folks like Max Klein have done with Wikidata. Research proposals are welcome in this campaign.
Siko
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see
is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_... this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender.
Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%.
This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem.
Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify
the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang awang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in
IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire
This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for
improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions,
community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
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The Inspire team is compiling a FAQ that should help to address this question among others: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Address_the_gender_gap/FAQ
As I mentioned on the talk page that you linked, the overall gender ratio among respondents of a particular survey (e.g. the 9% you are citing from the November/December 2011 survey, or the 13% in the 2008 UNU-MERIT survey) is a tricky substitute for "the" gender ratio among Wikimedia contributors overall. The underlying populations are actually different between surveys - they were available in different sets of languages, the definition of who counts "editor" can vary between surveys; also, we have evidence that the participation rate can vary between editors from a particular country or language, etc. But these concerns, as well as the soon to be published results from the 2012 survey, do not change the overall conclusion that Wikipedia's editing community has a large gender gap.
Also, thanks to the PLOS ONE paper by Hill and Shaw, we now know that such volunteer web surveys are likely to underestimate the ratio of female editors by several percent. Using their correction method, they estimated that in the US, the ratio of female editors was 22.7% in 2008 (more than a quarter higher than among respondents in that survey). http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065782
So overall, I think the Inspire team made the right decision in going with "less than 20%" in the banners (personally, I prefer the wording "less than one in five" which is mathematically identical but a bit better at avoiding to evoke the kind of false sense of precision that has developed about this topic at times).
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia_... this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender.
Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%. This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem.
Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang awang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Wikimedians,
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire
This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge!
Cheers,
Alex & the Inspire Team
-- Alexandra Wang Program Officer Project & Event Grants Wikimedia Foundation +1 415-839-6885 Skype: alexvwang
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I'm impressed with some of the ideas that people are proposing for the campaign. This is quite encouraging.
Pine