Hi!. First, I apologize for my English .. I do not use it very much and have it "rusty" XD.
IMHO, we need more information to analyze correctly the matter, since the case of the women is not the same in the USA that in the old Europe or in the emergent countries. I think perhaps a worldwide estatistic, made by a specialized enterprise, was helping us to have a more wide vision.
Every Chapter can to take charge doing a questionnaire with the questions most adapted to his social reality and giving it to the Statistics enterprise.
They are only ideas..
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1. Re: [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in Wikipedia (patricia morales) 2. Re: [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in Wikipedia (Oliver Keyes) 3. Re: Mailing list code of conduct (phoebe ayers) 4. Re: Women Post month (SlimVirgin) 5. Fwd: Gender preference (Brandon Harris) 6. Re: Fwd: Gender preference (Oliver Keyes) 7. Re: Fwd: Gender preference (Steven Walling)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: patricia morales mariadelcarmenpatricia@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in Wikipedia To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 193543.75897.qm@web161817.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Everyone is very welcome!I would like to explain what I trying to say. The idea was only to emphasise the participatory role of women in this process.?There are several historical gaps (black people, women, young people, "underdeveloped" countries, ea.) and suddenly people want to solve them, and at the same time exclude the group to be benefited in the process. Patricia --- On Wed, 2/9/11, ChaoticFluffy chaoticfluffy@gmail.com wrote:
From: ChaoticFluffy chaoticfluffy@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in Wikipedia To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 1:43 PM
I agree with Oliver - a female-friendly space need not, and should not, be a space with no males allowed. It should simply be one with everyone behaving in a manner friendly to females, and there's nothing in that that says at least some men are unwilling or unable to do that. If we start gating off areas of the wiki, we're not doing women any favors.
-Karen
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM, patricia morales mariadelcarmenpatricia@yahoo.com wrote:
It seems very interesting to create a female-friend space for overcoming gradually the gendergap. Some women would like to participate suggesting new topics, their interests (for example more articles on the women?s role in the African microeconomy, or female Nobel Awards, etc). They can provide some opinions or suggestions on the undercovered male-oriented use of language in articles or pictures of Wikipedia, etc.
I believe that the leadership of this process has to be in various female hands, taking solidarity as a major principle. When we take a look at history, we can see that women primarily avoid the use of violence and war. Matriarcal peoples or ctonic religions (where there is an identification between the Earth and the woman) are interesting examples.
The thing that worries me about this suggestion is that it's effectively sectioning off and segregating a portion of wikipedia's community. Solidarity is all well and good, but if the idea is to encourage more women to get involved in the community, the answer can't be to disect that community.
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Hello, Marcos (hola, Marcos).
We have been yet talking about this in another thread ("The gender gap is not only present in the English Wikipedia"). It's not the same case, I agree. For example, in the Spanish Wikipedia I particularly never found aggressiveness of men against women, although I did find *lots* of aggressiveness of men against men, and that could create a bad atmosphere for women to feel comfortable.
Regards
Miguel Ángel
Hi!. First, I apologize for my English .. I do not use it very much >and have it "rusty" XD.
IMHO, we need more information to analyze correctly the matter, >since the case of the women is not the same in the USA that in the >old Europe or in the emergent countries. I think perhaps a >worldwide estatistic, made by a specialized enterprise, was >helping us to have a more wide vision.
Every Chapter can to take charge doing a questionnaire with the >questions most adapted to his social reality and giving it to the >Statistics enterprise.
They are only ideas..