Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Activist_G...
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_ requests/File:Activist_Gloria_Steinem_Tells_Women%27s_March_ Protesters_%27Put_Our_Bodies_Where_Our_Beliefs_Are%27.webm
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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Advocate for what exactly? There nothing ethically wrong in ensuring we establish precedent using an equal sample space rather than cases chosen because they are about a Women's march in the news. The most common interpretation of that would be advocating for fairness in approach.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 12:05, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Activist_G...
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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Hi, The problem I see is that the speeches possibly deleted will in this case concern women when we alleeady have a gender gap. I would, like Fae, advocate to start with men speeches. Kind regards,
Nattes à chat
Le 30 janv. 2017 à 13:14, Fæ faewik@gmail.com a écrit :
Advocate for what exactly? There nothing ethically wrong in ensuring we establish precedent using an equal sample space rather than cases chosen because they are about a Women's march in the news. The most common interpretation of that would be advocating for fairness in approach.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 12:05, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote: Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Activist_G...
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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I encourage participation at the RFC I have put forward: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/videos_of_sp...
With either outcome suggested, the implementation should be consistent for all Commons videos, regardless of source, content or the person making a speech.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 16:40, Natacha Rault n.rault@me.com wrote:
Hi, The problem I see is that the speeches possibly deleted will in this case concern women when we alleeady have a gender gap. I would, like Fae, advocate to start with men speeches. Kind regards,
Nattes à chat
Le 30 janv. 2017 à 13:14, Fæ faewik@gmail.com a écrit :
Advocate for what exactly? There nothing ethically wrong in ensuring we establish precedent using an equal sample space rather than cases chosen because they are about a Women's march in the news. The most common interpretation of that would be advocating for fairness in approach.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 12:05, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote: Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Activist_G...
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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Fae, I have been skeptical of your initial post here (it's hard for me to see a strong basis for believing those giving the speeches have relinquished rights), but I very strongly agree with the principle you articulate here -- it's very important to apply consistent standards.
Readers here might enjoy a more inspiring story on the same topic: our latest edition of the Signpost contains a nice, concise writeup by User:Samwalton9, about how effective the collaboration in the Women's March articles on English Wikipedia was. Highly recommended: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-02-06/Forum
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] Editor in Chief, The Signpost
On 02/08/2017 11:47 AM, Fæ wrote:
I encourage participation at the RFC I have put forward: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/videos_of_sp...
With either outcome suggested, the implementation should be consistent for all Commons videos, regardless of source, content or the person making a speech.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 16:40, Natacha Rault n.rault@me.com wrote:
Hi, The problem I see is that the speeches possibly deleted will in this case concern women when we alleeady have a gender gap. I would, like Fae, advocate to start with men speeches. Kind regards,
Nattes à chat
Le 30 janv. 2017 à 13:14, Fæ faewik@gmail.com a écrit :
Advocate for what exactly? There nothing ethically wrong in ensuring we establish precedent using an equal sample space rather than cases chosen because they are about a Women's march in the news. The most common interpretation of that would be advocating for fairness in approach.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 12:05, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote: Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Activist_G...
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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yeah- nominating VOA video for deletion is proof of the cultural bias - so it goes
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Advocate for what exactly? There nothing ethically wrong in ensuring we establish precedent using an equal sample space rather than cases chosen because they are about a Women's march in the news. The most common interpretation of that would be advocating for fairness in approach.
Fae
On 30 January 2017 at 12:05, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right and using this mailing list to advocate for that crosses a line.
On Jan 30, 2017 05:11, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
requests/File:Activist_Gloria_Steinem_Tells_Women%27s_March_ Protesters_%27Put_Our_Bodies_Where_Our_Beliefs_Are%27.webm
I am concerned that amongst the many videos of talks and speeches where people refer to their notes, it is these recent Women's march videos that have been targeted to set an unusual precedent and are being vigorously argued for deletion, along with some parallel drama-mongering on Jimmy Wales' talk page. Perhaps it would be healthier to put up an equal number of comparative videos of men talking at WMF events, using the same arguments about prepared notes needing to be published before the video can be considered correctly released; or would that be too pointy?
Fae
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