In case you missed it, the Signpost this week gives a link to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8QCG7keQw
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
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If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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Never read the comments. Never . On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
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I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections are pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Never read the comments. Never . On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections are pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora valerie@adainitiative.org wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections
are
pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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Hi Emily,
I appreciate your good intentions and your desire to point out the ways in which many different kinds people are harmed and oppressed. Just so you know, when you do it in the context of people talking about ways that women are specifically harmed and oppressed in the context of Wikimedia projects, it comes across as derailing:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Derailment
That is, as a result of comments like these, we end up having a discussion about something other than women's participation in Wikimedia projects. When this happens frequently, people end up feeling discouraged from bringing up topics like "There is a lot of misogyny in these comments, is there anything we can do about it?" because they know they are likely to get a response of, "Men/people of color/other oppressed groups have this happen to them too." I know it is not your intention to shut down discussion about women in Wikimedia projects, but that's often the effect of comments like these.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora valerie@adainitiative.org wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections are pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Valerie Aurora valerie@adainitiative.org wrote:
That is, as a result of comments like these, we end up having a discussion about something other than women's participation in Wikimedia projects. When this happens frequently, people end up feeling discouraged from bringing up topics like "There is a lot of misogyny in these comments, is there anything we can do about it?" because they know they are likely to get a response of, "Men/people of color/other oppressed groups have this happen to them too." I know it is not your intention to shut down discussion about women in Wikimedia projects, but that's often the effect of comments like these.
-VAL
Hi Val,
The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly the discussion wasn't referring to commenters on a Wikimedia project. Emily can't be blamed for the discussion going off the gendergap topic.
When you ask someone not to comment, or not to make comments that in no way violate any behavioral norms, you make the list a less welcoming place for that person and others to express themselves. Discussion on this list (and any Wikimedia list) should be open, and civil participants should be engaged and not shushed. If you want to make the argument that anonymous comments disproportionately affect and hurt women, and contribute to gender gaps in many areas of the Internet, please feel free. You'd be right to do so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from posting her thoughts.
Nathan
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Val,
The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly the discussion wasn't referring to commenters on a Wikimedia project. Emily can't be blamed for the discussion going off the gendergap topic.
When you ask someone not to comment, or not to make comments that in no way violate any behavioral norms, you make the list a less welcoming place for that person and others to express themselves. Discussion on this list (and any Wikimedia list) should be open, and civil participants should be engaged and not shushed. If you want to make the argument that anonymous comments disproportionately affect and hurt women, and contribute to gender gaps in many areas of the Internet, please feel free. You'd be right to do so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from posting her thoughts.
Nathan
Donning my mod hat here for a moment.
Asking people to prioritize the topic of the list (addressing the gender gap) is not "shushing", and it is rude of you to dismiss the substance of Val's criticism as that. I will be placing you on moderation if I see anything like that again.
There is always a balance to be struck between tangents and focused discussion. I am happy that we've had this thread to remind us all of what our purpose is here - to discuss solutions to the gender gap.
-Leigh
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Leigh Honeywell leigh@hypatia.ca wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Val,
The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may
know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly the discussion wasn't referring to commenters on a Wikimedia project. Emily can't be blamed for the discussion going off the gendergap topic.
When you ask someone not to comment, or not to make comments that in no
way violate any behavioral norms, you make the list a less welcoming place for that person and others to express themselves. Discussion on this list (and any Wikimedia list) should be open, and civil participants should be engaged and not shushed. If you want to make the argument that anonymous comments disproportionately affect and hurt women, and contribute to gender gaps in many areas of the Internet, please feel free. You'd be right to do so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from posting her thoughts.
Nathan
Donning my mod hat here for a moment.
Asking people to prioritize the topic of the list (addressing the gender gap) is not "shushing", and it is rude of you to dismiss the substance of Val's criticism as that. I will be placing you on moderation if I see anything like that again.
There is always a balance to be struck between tangents and focused discussion. I am happy that we've had this thread to remind us all of what our purpose is here - to discuss solutions to the gender gap.
-Leigh
You're entitled to your opinion, Leigh, but I stand by my assessment that by being the 4th person in a row to post about Internet commenters on a non-Wikimedia site, Emily was not responsible for moving the topic away from the gendergap and Val was incorrect to admonish her for doing so.
But perhaps it's the intention that participation on this list be severely constrained, where posters should worry after each post that they'll be "corrected" condescendingly and / or threatened with moderation for disagreeing with another participant. If that's the case, I for one am happy to predict that the gendergap list will never achieve a sliver of its goal (not that it has up til now, of course).
Nathan,
While I agree I shouldn't be admonished for "being the fourth in a row" (then again, I'm biased, so take that with an entire salt shaker), I don't think Val meant to be condescending, just like I didn't mean to derail the conversation.
From, Emily
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Leigh Honeywell leigh@hypatia.ca wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Val,
The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may
know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly the discussion wasn't referring to commenters on a Wikimedia project. Emily can't be blamed for the discussion going off the gendergap topic.
When you ask someone not to comment, or not to make comments that in no
way violate any behavioral norms, you make the list a less welcoming place for that person and others to express themselves. Discussion on this list (and any Wikimedia list) should be open, and civil participants should be engaged and not shushed. If you want to make the argument that anonymous comments disproportionately affect and hurt women, and contribute to gender gaps in many areas of the Internet, please feel free. You'd be right to do so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from posting her thoughts.
Nathan
Donning my mod hat here for a moment.
Asking people to prioritize the topic of the list (addressing the gender gap) is not "shushing", and it is rude of you to dismiss the substance of Val's criticism as that. I will be placing you on moderation if I see anything like that again.
There is always a balance to be struck between tangents and focused discussion. I am happy that we've had this thread to remind us all of what our purpose is here - to discuss solutions to the gender gap.
-Leigh
You're entitled to your opinion, Leigh, but I stand by my assessment that by being the 4th person in a row to post about Internet commenters on a non-Wikimedia site, Emily was not responsible for moving the topic away from the gendergap and Val was incorrect to admonish her for doing so.
But perhaps it's the intention that participation on this list be severely constrained, where posters should worry after each post that they'll be "corrected" condescendingly and / or threatened with moderation for disagreeing with another participant. If that's the case, I for one am happy to predict that the gendergap list will never achieve a sliver of its goal (not that it has up til now, of course).
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There is always a balance to be struck between tangents and focused
discussion. I am happy that we've had this thread to remind us all of what our purpose is here - to discuss solutions to the gender gap.
But perhaps it's the intention that participation on this list be severely constrained, where posters should worry after each post that they'll be "corrected" condescendingly and / or threatened with moderation for disagreeing with another participant. If that's the case, I for one am happy to predict that the gendergap list will never achieve a sliver of its goal (not that it has up til now, of course).
Is there really a type of misogyny that stands alone from other nastiness? In my experience, those who make comments against women also do about other races, ethnics, sexual orientations, classes, etc.
The problem with misogyny on Wikipedia is probably more that it is easier to know if another editor is a woman vs. any of the other biases.
Aside from having everyone use non-feminine usernames and not divulge personal information, I'm not sure what else would work if this is the case.
Janine
Emily Monroe wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora <valerie@adainitiative.org mailto:valerie@adainitiative.org> wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author. -VAL
On the other hand, I'd like to point out that the thread topic had already drifted to internet comments when I commented. I'm not sure why I was singled out.
And yes, what Janine-- someone who is sexist is also likely to be ablelist (spelling?), racist, classist, etc.
From, Emily
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Janine Starykowicz jrstark@barntowire.com wrote:
Is there really a type of misogyny that stands alone from other nastiness? In my experience, those who make comments against women also do about other races, ethnics, sexual orientations, classes, etc.
The problem with misogyny on Wikipedia is probably more that it is easier to know if another editor is a woman vs. any of the other biases.
Aside from having everyone use non-feminine usernames and not divulge personal information, I'm not sure what else would work if this is the case.
Janine
Emily Monroe wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora <valerie@adainitiative.org mailto:valerie@adainitiative.org> wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author. -VAL
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From: emilymonroe03@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:51:22 -0500 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia
On the other hand, I'd like to point out that the thread topic had already drifted to internet comments when I commented. I'm not sure why I was singled out. And yes, what Janine-- someone who is sexist is also likely to be ablelist (spelling?), racist, classist, etc.
From, Emily
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Janine Starykowicz jrstark@barntowire.com wrote:
Is there really a type of misogyny that stands alone from other nastiness? In my experience, those who make comments against women also do about other races, ethnics, sexual orientations, classes, etc.
The problem with misogyny on Wikipedia is probably more that it is easier to know if another editor is a woman vs. any of the other biases.
Aside from having everyone use non-feminine usernames and not divulge personal information, I'm not sure what else would work if this is the case.
Janine
Emily Monroe wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local
newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if
the suspect is white.
From,
Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora <valerie@adainitiative.org mailto:valerie@adainitiative.org> wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are
more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based
solely on the gender of the subject or the author.
-VAL
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Yes. That's was what I was talking about.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Marie Earley eiryel@hotmail.com wrote:
Intersectionality is the name for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality
... and this is what it looks like in practice http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/mar/31/laura-bates-...
Marie
From: emilymonroe03@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:51:22 -0500 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia
On the other hand, I'd like to point out that the thread topic had already drifted to internet comments when I commented. I'm not sure why I was singled out.
And yes, what Janine-- someone who is sexist is also likely to be ablelist (spelling?), racist, classist, etc.
From, Emily
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Janine Starykowicz < jrstark@barntowire.com> wrote:
Is there really a type of misogyny that stands alone from other nastiness? In my experience, those who make comments against women also do about other races, ethnics, sexual orientations, classes, etc.
The problem with misogyny on Wikipedia is probably more that it is easier to know if another editor is a woman vs. any of the other biases.
Aside from having everyone use non-feminine usernames and not divulge personal information, I'm not sure what else would work if this is the case.
Janine
Emily Monroe wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora <valerie@adainitiative.org mailto:valerie@adainitiative.org> wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author. -VAL
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