Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
I spent most of yesterday NOT looking at the news, making my husband turn off the TV when the news came on, and not logging in to any online experience where I was likely to run into video related to this. It is what I do, as a matter of course, to make it through the day without triggering the memories of terror I experienced as a result of being involved in a very violent episode in the past.
This has nothing to do with Wikipedia, Wikimedia or the WMF. The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past. That people with this sort of sociopathy use gender-specific descriptive nouns is pretty much irrelevant, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why you think it important to start a conversation about the utterings of someone this mentally imbalanced to show that there is a gender gap *anywhere*, let alone here. This guy was a powder keg, and he was striking out at anyone whom he believed had caused him harm. I do not believe that his actions were motivated by sexism.
Risker/Anne
On 27 August 2015 at 03:01, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
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Yes, exactly. It's probably much more likely to be race driven than gender driven, if you look at the reasons for his firing. I spent most of yesterday NOT looking at the news, making my husband turn off the TV when the news came on, and not logging in to any online experience where I was likely to run into video related to this. It is what I do, as a matter of course, to make it through the day without triggering the memories of terror I experienced as a result of being involved in a very violent episode in the past.
This has nothing to do with Wikipedia, Wikimedia or the WMF. The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past. That people with this sort of sociopathy use gender-specific descriptive nouns is pretty much irrelevant, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why you think it important to start a conversation about the utterings of someone this mentally imbalanced to show that there is a gender gap *anywhere*, let alone here. This guy was a powder keg, and he was striking out at anyone whom he believed had caused him harm. I do not believe that his actions were motivated by sexism.
Risker/Anne
On 27 August 2015 at 03:01, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
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"The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past."
Why do we always assume that gender is only a motivation in terms of victim selection? Shooters' misogyny/masculinity (no, they're not always the same thing), has been central in every one of these manifestos over the past decade (or two) regardless of whether the direct object of rage is transgendered, man, or woman. And yes, race, class and sexuality all *intersect *with this sense of masculinity, and we need to be taking all three of these concepts together in thinking about these issues.
Where I think this does connect to Wikipedia is in this weird debate that always pops up about suicide mass shootings being somehow gender neutral... despite the fact that the very very vast majority of these types of public suicide mass shootings are perpetrated by men, and the manifestos mostly about their sense of being or not being a man.
bryce
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:08 AM, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, exactly. It's probably much more likely to be race driven than gender driven, if you look at the reasons for his firing. I spent most of yesterday NOT looking at the news, making my husband turn off the TV when the news came on, and not logging in to any online experience where I was likely to run into video related to this. It is what I do, as a matter of course, to make it through the day without triggering the memories of terror I experienced as a result of being involved in a very violent episode in the past.
This has nothing to do with Wikipedia, Wikimedia or the WMF. The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past. That people with this sort of sociopathy use gender-specific descriptive nouns is pretty much irrelevant, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why you think it important to start a conversation about the utterings of someone this mentally imbalanced to show that there is a gender gap *anywhere*, let alone here. This guy was a powder keg, and he was striking out at anyone whom he believed had caused him harm. I do not believe that his actions were motivated by sexism.
Risker/Anne
On 27 August 2015 at 03:01, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
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Or are aimed at women or minorities not providing the requisite perks to the shooter.
Coffee Ogress *gyllyn!*
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Bryce Peake brycepeake@gmail.com wrote:
"The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past."
Why do we always assume that gender is only a motivation in terms of victim selection? Shooters' misogyny/masculinity (no, they're not always the same thing), has been central in every one of these manifestos over the past decade (or two) regardless of whether the direct object of rage is transgendered, man, or woman. And yes, race, class and sexuality all *intersect *with this sense of masculinity, and we need to be taking all three of these concepts together in thinking about these issues.
Where I think this does connect to Wikipedia is in this weird debate that always pops up about suicide mass shootings being somehow gender neutral... despite the fact that the very very vast majority of these types of public suicide mass shootings are perpetrated by men, and the manifestos mostly about their sense of being or not being a man.
bryce
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:08 AM, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, exactly. It's probably much more likely to be race driven than gender driven, if you look at the reasons for his firing. I spent most of yesterday NOT looking at the news, making my husband turn off the TV when the news came on, and not logging in to any online experience where I was likely to run into video related to this. It is what I do, as a matter of course, to make it through the day without triggering the memories of terror I experienced as a result of being involved in a very violent episode in the past.
This has nothing to do with Wikipedia, Wikimedia or the WMF. The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past. That people with this sort of sociopathy use gender-specific descriptive nouns is pretty much irrelevant, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why you think it important to start a conversation about the utterings of someone this mentally imbalanced to show that there is a gender gap *anywhere*, let alone here. This guy was a powder keg, and he was striking out at anyone whom he believed had caused him harm. I do not believe that his actions were motivated by sexism.
Risker/Anne
On 27 August 2015 at 03:01, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
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