Frankly, given the hostility to the Gender Gap project, I have to wonder about this Hashtag effort. Lightbreather quoted some obnoxious guy statements a month ago out of her own account and was roundly criticized. Forum shopping and canvassing issues were raised while others applauded it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_170#Fed_up_with… ... I personally wouldn't do it because the wrong Admin who was friends with people you quoted (or people who don't like you) probably would get you blocked for weeks or months at a time. So it could be a way to trap editors whose twitter accounts are somehow linked to their user names. I know at least one guy at an ANI got away with criticizing a woman editor on her editing at a number of off wiki-sites. But that doesn't mean any of us would get away with it. And this also can be turned about the Gender Gap Project "#GenderGapStupidity" or whatever. So unless there was some community consensus on an appropriate way to do this, I would tread carefully... CM

On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote: I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point, but that's my thinking on it at this time. Lightbreather You are braver than I! On the other hand this is what [[User:Jayen466|Andreas]] wrote when I complained the woman editor was being harassed off line: * Criticising the quality of an editor's work, whether here or elsewhere, is not harassment. This is not a private project, but a public one, with a significant impact on public life. Any such public project should be prepared to be criticised. If someone writes nonsense in a science article read and relied on by a million people a year, that is a matter of public interest, just like stories like [http://twkozlowski.net/the-pot-and-the-kettle-the-wikimedia-way/ <http://twkozlowski.net/the-pot-and-the-kettle-the-wikimedia-way/> this], [http://twkozlowski.net/paid-editing-thrives-in-the-heart-of-wikipedia/ <http://twkozlowski.net/paid-editing-thrives-in-the-heart-of-wikipedia/> this], [http://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/ <http://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/> this], [http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-pr-industry-buying-influence-over-wik… <http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-pr-industry-buying-influence-over-wikipedia> this] or [http://www.dailydot.com/politics/croatian-wikipedia-fascist-takeover-contro… <http://www.dailydot.com/politics/croatian-wikipedia-fascist-takeover-controversy-right-wing/> this]. If you would like to curtail editors' freedom to speak out about Wikipedia's failings in public, this in itself will be a media story, and rightly so. Such ideas belong to places like Azerbaijan and North Korea. *Thus one would think quoting nasty sexist things, especially when an editor's name not mentioned should be ok. This really was a test case, wasn't it? (Or not in a community that still applies double standards to male vs. female actions.) Here's the link to the ANI in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incid…

Hi. Some people can't speak up about what happened for legal reasons. I do think there is a double standard. But I have before my involvement in wiki. Living in the US it's a way of life. Some women who were impacted by those posts were harassed by people involved way prior to making their own minor and harmless in the end game errors which got them "in trouble." Women just did not take action or make it public. No one should have to post on a public website that they have been sexually harassed to get help. And "bad people on the internet are common" is the general response. There are also male staff members who did things considered illegal in the US courts who still have their jobs (some don't work there anymore but it shocked many of us women they were allowed to stay so long given their behaviors). Amazing how that works. But, some of us can't and are afraid to talk about it. Some of us just want closure but the trolls and internet won't give it to us. (And it's not just me...) And no I am not elaborating on or offlist. So don't ask. I gave up fighting after I lost my job. So I commend those who still care. I love the Twitter feed, by the way. Sarah On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, "Nathan" &lt;nawrich(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote

Thanks Nathan. I do concur that harassment to the level myself, Carol and other very active outspoken women have experienced on/off wiki is not the standard experience for every woman who lines up to click edit. It sucks that it happens. But I also always remind people - unless you are editing controversial subjects or pose a direct threat to the patriarchy you won't get messed with. Or at least not much. Just keep your head down and write about knitting and women scientists. You will be "just fine..." (With slight sarcasm :) Sarah

On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, "Nathan" &lt;nawrich(a)gmail.com <mailto:nawrich@gmail.com>> wrote Hi Sarah, I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was understanding Carol as saying that there were sexist comments in the ANI she linked (where Andreas' quoted comment was found). I read the entire AN/I thread and the editor review and found none.