Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic ( http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method.
A Strunk & White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example.
I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried.
Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet...
Thanks, Carissa
Thanks for the ideas.
About wikimeetups: everybody else is waiting for you to announce one. Once you do, they will come.
About the culture: I think Steven Walling's presentation is one of the most succinct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI
Good luck with the editing.
Best wishes,
Lennart
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:04:15 -0600 From: carissawodehouse@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos
Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method.
A Strunk & White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example.
I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried.
Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet...
Thanks, Carissa
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Hi Carissa et al,
This is the pan-wiki meetup in Portland, you may well already be familiar with this one:
http://pdx.wiki.org/Welcome_to_Portland_WikiWednesday!
For Mexico City, I suggest you get in touch with the group working to form the Wikimedia Mexico chapter:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_M%C3%A9xico
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the ideas.
About wikimeetups: everybody else is waiting for you to announce one. Once you do, they will come.
About the culture: I think Steven Walling's presentation is one of the most succinct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI
Good luck with the editing.
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:04:15 -0600 From: carissawodehouse@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos
Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method.
A Strunk & White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example.
I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried.
Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet...
Thanks, Carissa
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who gives awards
Thanks, Carissa
You, and anyone else who is moved to. My suggestion is to work it into your routine so that when you see helpful stuff happening, you can give someone a cookie, or a barnstar. How and when is a matter of personal style and perceptiveness.
Fred
A video incorporating the new RefToolbar (the thing that appears when you click "Cite" in the editor) would be helpful in this regard. Citation templates and citation formatting are definitely one of the biggest barriers to truly integrating newbies into Wikipedia editing (i.e. getting beyond doing spelling corrections). I think that people would be a lot less intimidated if they knew they could just paste in an ISBN number and click a button and the citation is automatically created for them. (I remember my own amazement at learning this.)
Ryan Kaldari
On 3/15/11 4:04 PM, Carissa Wodehouse wrote:
Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method.
A Strunk & White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example.
I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried.
Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet...
Thanks, Carissa
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
A video incorporating the new RefToolbar (the thing that appears when you click "Cite" in the editor) would be helpful in this regard.
Ask and you shall receive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RefTools.ogv
User:GorillaWarfare made this a few weeks ago for students working with the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and I think it's pretty excellent. (I'll be making a shorter screencast about using RefToolbar for the very basic stuff soon.)
-Sage
Ooohh! That's awesome! I love that she even explains how to use the named references. My only gripe is that she skipped the coolest feature—the automatic lookup you can use for ISBN, DOI, and PMIDs. Great video though. We should advertise this widely!
Ryan Kaldari
On 3/15/11 4:49 PM, Sage Ross wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Ryan Kaldarirkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
A video incorporating the new RefToolbar (the thing that appears when you click "Cite" in the editor) would be helpful in this regard.
Ask and you shall receive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RefTools.ogv
User:GorillaWarfare made this a few weeks ago for students working with the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and I think it's pretty excellent. (I'll be making a shorter screencast about using RefToolbar for the very basic stuff soon.)
-Sage
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--- On Tue, 15/3/11, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
From: Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2011, 23:20 A video incorporating the new RefToolbar (the thing that appears when you click "Cite" in the editor) would be helpful in this regard. Citation templates and citation formatting are definitely one of the biggest barriers to truly integrating newbies into Wikipedia editing (i.e. getting beyond doing spelling corrections). I think that people would be a lot less intimidated if they knew they could just paste in an ISBN number and click a button and the citation is automatically created for them. (I remember my own amazement at learning this.) Have you seen this utility? You just paste in the Google Books URL, and it creates a named,fully formatted book reference: http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=&dateformat=dmy%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0It works better than the autofill in the cite book template. If you were looking at a particular page in Google Books, it also inserts the page numberand adds a link to that page. Andreas
2011/3/15 Carissa Wodehouse carissawodehouse@gmail.com:
Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection).
Lol. Thanks for sharing your experience of those resources.
The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method.
Do you find this page useful? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citations_quick_reference
I personally like the cheatsheet approach -- IMO a high quality video would be designed in parallel with the reference resources that you can go to for further info. Not all collaboratively written help documents are useless, but lots of them suffer from information overload and poor (i.e. no) instructional design.