Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail below.
Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great.
Thanks in advance, and regards,
Leilah
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com Date: 7 October 2011 16:47 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions To: Wikimedia Commons Information Team info-commons@wikimedia.org
OK! Thanks! Presumably there is no other way for me.
Have a good weekend.
Leilah
On 7 October 2011 16:43, Wikimedia Commons Information Team < info-commons@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Dear Leilah Ozaibi,
I simply handle releases for images and issues using Commons and am not an employee. Your emails are only seen by myself and it would be best to post ideas to the mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Yours sincerely, Aaron Adrignola
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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail below. Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great. Thanks in advance, and regards, Leilah
Alas, the email trail in question did not accompany your message.
Hi there Michael, I've attempted to cut and paste the emails. Are you able to see them now?
Leilah
Hello Dear Wikipedia,
I would like to bring to your attention the aesthetic variations between pictorials relating to the human reproductive organs (genitals).
The main observation is the aesthetic variances between the human male and human female depictions of genitals.
It is also interesting to note the ratio of male genital depictions versus female genital depictions.
Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?
I look forward to your response, and thank you in advance.
With regards,
Leilah
Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, Thank you for your contacting us with your concerns with ... 15:51 (3 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:18 (3 hours ago) Hi Aaron,
Thanks for your quick response.
Censorship was not the basis of my observation, and apologies if this was unclear.
I hold the belief that Wikimedia is pro-active in moderating content for balance regardless of position on censorship etcetera.
I, too, don't necessarily like censorship especially where education is concerned.
That said, it seems there is some inadvert self-censorship of male human genitalia taking effect on Wikipedia.
Your response suggests this is by the contributors themselves.
I don't want to scare you (I really don't), but it might be interesting for Wikimedia to note the ratio of male to female contributors.
In any case, thanks again.
Leilah - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, The ratio of contributors is quite imbalanced: http://com... 16:25 (2 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:25 (2 hours ago) Hi, I would just like to add that I am embarrassed for you in making the assumption that my observations are based on censorship.
L - Show quoted text - Reply Forward [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:31 (2 hours ago) OK, thanks for being so open about that. A gender gap is not unusual. :)
I'm not sure how I could/can help.
Maybe, at this point in the development of Wikipedia, the gender ratio of moderators is another way...
But I guess moderators are appointed on the basis of their input as contributors...
I'm sure Wikipedia is working on it.
Thanks and best for the day,
L - Show quoted text - Reply Forward [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:41 (2 hours ago) Hi again, here is a (somewhat outdated) article on the gender ratio of teachers in London.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373976-discipline-fears-as-fema...
Some food for thought on those mailing lists, perhaps? Why not approach schools for contributors? If you haven't already. :)
Leilah - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, I simply handle releases for images and issues using Comm... 16:43 (2 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:47 (2 hours ago) OK! Thanks! Presumably there is no other way for me.
Have a good weekend.
Leilah - Show quoted text -
On 7 October 2011 18:00, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail
below.
Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great. Thanks in advance, and regards, Leilah
Alas, the email trail in question did not accompany your message.
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You say, "Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?"
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ?
On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
You say, "Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?"
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
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Hi
Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no?
Regards Theo
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:59 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.comwrote:
Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ?
On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
You say, "Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?"
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
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Theo - From what I understand, the agent told the "customer" (Leilah Ozaibi) to bring the subject up on the gender gap list.
Leilah forwarded it - she is the person who inquired to OTRS. So it's in her control - it wasn't forwarded by an OTRS agent, be assured!
-Sarah
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no?
Regards Theo
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:59 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.comwrote:
Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ?
On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
You say, "Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?"
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
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Thanks Sarah.
Also, Leilah, just in case, I would like to inform you that exchanges with the OTRS agents are supposed to be private, but since you are the customer, it is your decision to make them public.
Regards Theo
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
Theo - From what I understand, the agent told the "customer" (Leilah Ozaibi) to bring the subject up on the gender gap list.
Leilah forwarded it - she is the person who inquired to OTRS. So it's in her control - it wasn't forwarded by an OTRS agent, be assured!
-Sarah
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no?
Regards Theo
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:59 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.comwrote:
Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ?
On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
You say, "Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?"
Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images.
Fred
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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Sarah. Also, Leilah, just in case, I would like to inform you that exchanges with the OTRS agents are supposed to be private, but since you are the customer, it is your decision to make them public. Regards Theo
That's not quite how I would put it. OTRS agents are not to release ticket contents without permission, but people sending OTRS inquiries are free to release them as they wish.
Nathan
Leilah,
I can see a number of the e-mails attached below, but it seems your first mail (or at any rate the beginning of the conversation), is missing.
Could you outline for us what you said in your original mail? Basically, people here are aware of the problem, are trying to work on it, and further data or specific observations are welcome.
Andreas
--- On Fri, 7/10/11, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there Michael, I've attempted to cut and paste the emails. Are you able to see them now? Leilah
Hello Dear Wikipedia, I would like to bring to your attention the aesthetic variations between pictorials relating to the human reproductive organs (genitals). The main observation is the aesthetic variances between the human male and human female depictions of genitals.
It is also interesting to note the ratio of male genital depictions versus female genital depictions. Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality?
I look forward to your response, and thank you in advance. With regards, Leilah
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Wikimedia Commons Information Team
Dear Leilah Ozaibi, Thank you for your contacting us with your concerns with ...
15:51 (3 hours ago)
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leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia
show details 16:18 (3 hours ago)
Hi Aaron,
Thanks for your quick response.
Censorship was not the basis of my observation, and apologies if this was unclear.
I hold the belief that Wikimedia is pro-active in moderating content for balance regardless of position on censorship etcetera.
I, too, don't necessarily like censorship especially where education is concerned.
That said, it seems there is some inadvert self-censorship of male human genitalia taking effect on Wikipedia.
Your response suggests this is by the contributors themselves.
I don't want to scare you (I really don't), but it might be interesting for Wikimedia to note the ratio of male to female contributors.
In any case, thanks again.
Leilah - Show quoted text -
Reply
Forward
Wikimedia Commons Information Team
Dear Leilah Ozaibi, The ratio of contributors is quite imbalanced: http://com...
16:25 (2 hours ago)
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leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia
show details 16:25 (2 hours ago)
Hi, I would just like to add that I am embarrassed for you in making the assumption that my observations are based on censorship. L- Show quoted text -
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show details 16:31 (2 hours ago)
OK, thanks for being so open about that. A gender gap is not unusual. :) I'm not sure how I could/can help. Maybe, at this point in the development of Wikipedia, the gender ratio of moderators is another way...
But I guess moderators are appointed on the basis of their input as contributors... I'm sure Wikipedia is working on it. Thanks and best for the day,
L- Show quoted text -
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leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia
show details 16:41 (2 hours ago)
Hi again, here is a (somewhat outdated) article on the gender ratio of teachers in London. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373976-discipline-fears-as-fema...
Some food for thought on those mailing lists, perhaps? Why not approach schools for contributors? If you haven't already. :) Leilah - Show quoted text -
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Dear Leilah Ozaibi, I simply handle releases for images and issues using Comm...
16:43 (2 hours ago)
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show details 16:47 (2 hours ago)
OK! Thanks! Presumably there is no other way for me. Have a good weekend. Leilah- Show quoted text -
On 7 October 2011 18:00, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail below.
Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great.
Thanks in advance, and regards,
Leilah
Alas, the email trail in question did not accompany your message.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
"When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food
and clothes."
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Hi, it seems the email trail is rejected. Any idea why?
Leilah
On 7 October 2011 18:00, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, leilah ozaibi email.leilah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail
below.
Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great. Thanks in advance, and regards, Leilah
Alas, the email trail in question did not accompany your message.
-- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
"When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." -- Desiderius Erasmus
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