On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
On Signpost:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/...
http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html
Fred
Not a fan of either. The author has an assumption and explains it. There is a lot of research on the design elements, but it doesn't go anywhere or appear to have any solid basis beyond: I think this and my friends think this. We like pretty! This appears to be right up there with: "I have free time! So I will contribute to Wikipedia!" Yes, fine. Great. And you have free time... so why are you motivated to edit Wikipedia instead of updating Facebook? There is a motivation gap that is totally missing there.
There is a lot of research on design, its principles and how to do it right. Yes, there are differences between male and female web users. Cite the research for it and then make relevant.
Moss, G., Gunn, R. and Heller, J. (2006), Some men like it black, some women like it pink: consumer implications of differences in male and female website design. Journal of Consumer Behaviour, 5: 328–341. doi: 10.1002/cb.184 is one such study that talks about design principle differences between men and women.
Interesting conclusions from that paper on page 335:
This indicates that the hypotheses generated from earlier literature as to the greater likelihood of women to seek ease of navigation is not borne out by the results of this study. In fact, the reverse could be said to be the case with femaledesigned sites being linked up to a wider range of subject sites.
Also on page 335:
Based on the work of Tannen (1990), it was hypothesised that the language used in the male-produced websites would contain more features indicative of overt competitiveness than the female-produced sites would. As the results in Table 3 indicate, this finding is also borne out by the present study: The results reveal statistically significant differences on four of the five language elements, with females showing a statistically greater tendency than the males to employ abbreviations, self-denigration, non-expert and informal language. These differences suggest greater overt competitiveness on the part of the males in the sample than the females.
On page 336:
In statistical terms, females are statistically significantly more likely than males to use rounded rather than straight shapes to avoid a horizontal layout, to use more colours for typography irregular typography, informal images and more of certain specific colours (white, yellow, pink and mauve) for typography.
There is a lot of research out there and falling back on it, using it, seems very important if the goal is to provide actionable information for WMF to make design changes to better cater to both sexes. Make Wikipedia look pretty is good but isn't very actionable in terms of giving that advice. (And the Vector skin appears to be a big step in that direction.) I honestly think though, if motivation could be tapped into, this would less of an issue because there are plenty of sites which don't follow the research and have large female contributor bases. Think Facebook, MySpace, LiveJournal and FanFiction.Net.
--- On Tue, 8/3/11, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net Subject: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix... To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, 8 March, 2011, 19:09 On Signpost:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/...
http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html
Fred
Thanks Fred, interesting. Here are some sample articles from Wikifashion:
http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Christian_Dior/Resort_2011 http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Yasmin_Sewell
I don't think there is anyone in en:WP who would write these articles. Yet the article on the Resort 2011 collection is precisely the level of detail that we would have on something like wrestling or Pokemon, and it's notable, with coverage in decent sources.
Yasmin Sewell doesn't even have an article on en:WP (look her up in Google News to see how notable she is ...).
We discussed the design issue that the Wikifashion lady highlights a few weeks ago.
I like the Wikifashion interface design ... having a toggle option to change to a design like that would be useful in WP. A real eye-opener. Please let's add a design like that as an option.
Following on from what Carol said, and from observing how and why my wife writes, I think women do get a kick out of writing an article about someone whose work they think is important, be it a biography or an article about that work. There clearly are women out there who enjoy writing a wiki article on a widely covered fashion collection; they're just not doing it in Wikipedia.
I like that Wikifashion has lots of images: again, this follows entirely the model of reliable sources writing about fashion. Yet I can't recall ever seeing such richly illustrated fashion pages in Wikipedia.
Andreas
Is there any way to sync articles between Wikipedia and other wikis, especially those using MediaWiki? That would greatly expand the number and breadth of articles, not to mention reduce the inefficiency of duplication.
Janine
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
--- On Tue, 8/3/11, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net Subject: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix... To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, 8 March, 2011, 19:09 On Signpost:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/...
http://lola-pr.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-wikis-do-mix.html
Fred
Thanks Fred, interesting. Here are some sample articles from Wikifashion:
http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Christian_Dior/Resort_2011 http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Yasmin_Sewell
I don't think there is anyone in en:WP who would write these articles. Yet the article on the Resort 2011 collection is precisely the level of detail that we would have on something like wrestling or Pokemon, and it's notable, with coverage in decent sources.
Yasmin Sewell doesn't even have an article on en:WP (look her up in Google News to see how notable she is ...).
We discussed the design issue that the Wikifashion lady highlights a few weeks ago.
I like the Wikifashion interface design ... having a toggle option to change to a design like that would be useful in WP. A real eye-opener. Please let's add a design like that as an option.
Following on from what Carol said, and from observing how and why my wife writes, I think women do get a kick out of writing an article about someone whose work they think is important, be it a biography or an article about that work. There clearly are women out there who enjoy writing a wiki article on a widely covered fashion collection; they're just not doing it in Wikipedia.
I like that Wikifashion has lots of images: again, this follows entirely the model of reliable sources writing about fashion. Yet I can't recall ever seeing such richly illustrated fashion pages in Wikipedia.
Andreas
Is there any way to sync articles between Wikipedia and other wikis, especially those using MediaWiki? That would greatly expand the number and breadth of articles, not to mention reduce the inefficiency of duplication.
Janine
We can link to their articles easily enough, either directly or though an interwiki link, Help:Interwiki linking but Fashionwiki does not have a free license:
http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Wikifashion:Terms_of_Service#6..09Intellectual_p...
Syncing abrogates the reason for forking, to do things differently, or, in this case, profitably.
Fred
--- On Tue, 8/3/11, Janine Starykowicz jrstark@barntowire.com wrote:
From: Janine Starykowicz jrstark@barntowire.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Why women and wikis do mix...
Is there any way to sync articles between Wikipedia and other wikis, especially those using MediaWiki? That would greatly expand the number and breadth of articles, not to mention reduce the inefficiency of duplication.
I guess articles will always vary between sites, reflecting their different communities.
Wikifashion in particular is not published under a free licence; so we could not copy or mirror their content.
Andreas