Nicole: A similar area where Wikipedia is lacking is cosmetics and I don't mean in terms of how to create makeup looks or pictures of every shade of nail polish, but general information on cosmetics companies like Cover Girl and Maybelline. I think there needs to more information on the history of each company as well as criticisms. In addition, those articles are lacking in citations. My reply: I was the first male user to sign on to WikiProject Fashion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:FASHION) and, as I have said every other time someone brings this up, that project is dreadfully short of editors with the time (I did a lot in the beginning, an outgrowth of the effort I put into [[The Devil Wears Prada (novel)]], [[The Devil Wears Prada (film)]] and [[Anna Wintour]], but I haven't been able to focus on it in a while. So, anyone who feels that they can contribute there is welcome ... in the "beauty" department, I am happy to see that [[Template:Cosmetics]] has grown as much as it has since I first created it in the project's early days, though perhaps I should restore the original color scheme (once denounced by an anon as sexist: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cosmetics&diff=35184…) now that a CSS has been written to allow users who have vision problems to override navbox coloring to high-contrast defaults). Daniel Case

On 14 September 2011 10:03, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike(a)gmail.com> wrote: Soooo funny: everyone is different, and that is fine. I remember Jack Herrick seeming flustered and a little embarrassed one day by a purple girly welcome message on WikiHow. But I loved the purple girly welcome message, personally :-) Thanks, Sue

I find I'm not really girly girly all that much. Pink and purple used to be my absolute favorite colors, for example, but now "Pretty much shade of blue" fills a slot above them. Of course, at least in America, blue=baby boy, know what I mean? What I'm trying to say is, sometimes somebody who's comfortable with being a woman isn't always going to fulfill the "fluff, rainbow, unicorns, and sparkles!" stereotypical of how a woman should act. I don't want a backlash in response to this sort of concern severe enough that I feel uncomfortable editing. From, Emily On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Nicole Willson &lt;artisticaltruist(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: > As a wikiHowian, I can speak to this a bit. Although I can't speak for > Jack, I have my own aversions to purple girly welcome messages and I think > this reasoning is seen on other wiki projects. > > On wikiHow we have struggled to have professional looking welcome messages. > I think the worst of it was one that had a picture of a bunny and said > "follow the bunny to wikiHow" or something like that. So, I think that view > may have (at least for me) trickled down even to welcome messages that are > a "girly" color", since I am concerned that girliness and even just girly > colors will cause wikiHow to be taken less seriously as a project. > > The funny thing, however, is that one of the "girlier" welcome messages > I've seen (pastel background, '<3') is one that was created by a male > wikiHowian and no one seems to have any problem with it so far that I know > of. > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Sue Gardner &lt;sgardner(a)wikimedia.org&gt;wrote;wrote: > >> On 14 September 2011 10:03, Michael J. Lowrey &lt;orangemike(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Sarah Stierch < >> sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >> I do like this though (scroll down to badges), not the portraits..but >> the >> >> round badges. I'd love to see something like this developed for >> Wikipedia. >> >> I'd have them on my tumblr, etc. >> >> >> >> http://wikifashion.com/wiki/Wikifashion:Contributors_Needed >> > >> > Really???? I find them loathsome in the extreme; very Facebooky. >> >> >> Soooo funny: everyone is different, and that is fine. >> >> I remember Jack Herrick seeming flustered and a little embarrassed one >> day by a purple girly welcome message on WikiHow. But I loved the >> purple girly welcome message, personally :-) >> >> Thanks, >> Sue >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > > -- > "Only the shallow know themselves." - Oscar Wilde > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >

My point exactly! From, Emily On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Sarah Stierch &lt;sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/students-startup-weaves-a-web-that-… ''If you look at Wikipedia, a lot of the [fashion] designer or brand pages do not have a lot of information on them, and Wikipedia does not really focus on images, so you will not ever find the new collections or [fashion] look books on there,'' she says. ''At the moment, there is no central database for fashion, a location where a girl can find the latest look book for Marc Jacobs or the first collection for Chanel. Either they are not there or they are on a host of different websites, so we want to create all of that in one place.'' Sarah Stierch says: ...uh..it's called Style.com and it's the greatest fashion website, ever, and has been for almost ten years. (Always makes me laugh that people in the fashion world forget men are as into fashion as much as women are, too!) And I comment: Given my experience with Wikipedia's fashion coverage, I think I can speak to this with some authority. We did create a little external-link template for style.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Style.com_collection, that can be used as you would use the Facebook, Twitter or MySpace templates. It's, as Sarah says, an excellent resource. I don't mind the idea of the look-book thing-we could and should arguably have articles on notable designers' biannual collections, and there would thus inevitably be associated Commons categories, which would serve as look books. What we'd need-and this, it seems to me, is where wikifashion is failing-is someone who can take those pictures with a decent enough camera and can get access to the shows. Someone with some professional experience as a fashion photographer (cue Steely Dan's "Peg", from the now-deleted "Songs about fashion" category: "When the shutter falls / You see it all in 3-D / It's your favorite foreign movie ..."), in other words. The problem, though, is that these people are not usually open to freely-licensing their work. And even, I suppose, a Wikipedian with the skill set might not necessarily be welcome at a fashion show, not if it was known that they were going to create images that would undermine the commercial value of the work of every other photographer there. But, then again, we did get people into sporting events eventually, so I'm sure we'll eventually get someone into a fashion show or two. Daniel Case