Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki...
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki...
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki...
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those things that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was already aware of "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet women" for a sense of what I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 'meet women' + PUA") . Basically it's a phrasing which is much more commonly used in the context of "acquainting oneself with women for sexual/romantic purposes" than it is in the context of "women are people, let's meet some people!"
For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit Wikipedia", "Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A survey of some of Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate "this is a blog post about female wikipedians" without the sort of awkward implication of "...presented here for men to examine and select from, as one does when one 'meets' women" that's part of the cultural baggage of the phrase.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki...
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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It was probably intended along the same lines as the 'meet the team behind X' phrasing commonly used on corporate sites; it's just that since it is women specifically it brings up the whole 'meet some women' thing, which has gotten pretty ingrained these days.
Those are all good suggestions, though. Anything that says what it is without hitting the random weird implications would work, but that's often surprisingly tricky.
-I
On 07/03/15 01:07, Katherine Casey wrote:
Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those things that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was already aware of "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet women" for a sense of what I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 'meet women' + PUA") . Basically it's a phrasing which is much more commonly used in the context of "acquainting oneself with women for sexual/romantic purposes" than it is in the context of "women are people, let's meet some people!"
For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit Wikipedia", "Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A survey of some of Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate "this is a blog post about female wikipedians" without the sort of awkward implication of "...presented here for men to examine and select from, as one does when one 'meets' women" that's part of the cultural baggage of the phrase.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest? Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" <fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com <mailto:fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com>> wrote: I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals. On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com>> wrote: Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend. Cheers, Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" <fflorin@wikimedia.org <mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML. Here is the correct link in plain text: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/ Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend! -fOn Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org <mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Hello social media team, We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/ <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/> Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :) Here are proposed social media messages for this story: Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia): Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity Facebook/Google+ Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link) Feel free to tweak as needed. Thanks for helping share this story with our community! Fabrice _______________________________ Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_%28WMF%29>_______________________________________________ Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Hi folks,
Thanks for bringing this up — and for all your great suggestions!
We appreciate this is a sensitive topic and we’ll definitely keep your comments in mind for future stories about women and gender diversity.
This particular story is already out and widely socialized, so it’s a bit late for copy tweaks at this stage.
That said, I believe the opening lines of the story help clarify any doubts a reader might have about its contents:
"To celebrate International Women’s Day we want to share some of the inspiring stories of women who contribute to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects.”
Personally, I found these stories very inspiring — and I hope they will engage many other readers as well.
Be well,
Fabrice
On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
It was probably intended along the same lines as the 'meet the team behind X' phrasing commonly used on corporate sites; it's just that since it is women specifically it brings up the whole 'meet some women' thing, which has gotten pretty ingrained these days.
Those are all good suggestions, though. Anything that says what it is without hitting the random weird implications would work, but that's often surprisingly tricky.
-I
On 07/03/15 01:07, Katherine Casey wrote:
Oh, I'm sure it's not at all intended! It strikes me as one of those things that would only be recognized as A Thing by someone who was already aware of "meeting women" and PUAs as A Thing (google "meet women" for a sense of what I mean. For bonus ick points, google " 'meet women' + PUA") . Basically it's a phrasing which is much more commonly used in the context of "acquainting oneself with women for sexual/romantic purposes" than it is in the context of "women are people, let's meet some people!"
For other ideas: nearly any other phrasing - "Hear from some female wikipedians", "Find out more about some of the women who edit Wikipedia", "Female Wikipedians discuss why they do what they do!", "A survey of some of Wikipedia's female editors" - would communicate "this is a blog post about female wikipedians" without the sort of awkward implication of "...presented here for men to examine and select from, as one does when one 'meets' women" that's part of the cultural baggage of the phrase.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think that is Fabrice's intent. What edits would you suggest?
Pine
On Mar 6, 2015 4:46 PM, "Katherine Casey" <fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com mailto:fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com> wrote: I might be a little punch-drunk from all the gender drama lately, but..."meet some of the women who edit Wikipedia!" sounds more like an introduction to a speed-dating event to me than what is presumably intended to be a demystification/de-othering blog post. "Come meet some women" isn't exactly a phrase that comes without baggage, culturally speaking, and it makes me wince to see female editors being announced in a tone that makes them sound like exotic zoo animals.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote: Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine
On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" <fflorin@wikimedia.org mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org> wrote: Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wikipedia/
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_%28WMF%29
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On Mar 7, 2015 1:36 AM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) this weekend.
Cheers,
Pine On Mar 6, 2015 4:24 PM, "Fabrice Florin" fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Looks like the link below still had the inspire story URL in the HTML.
Here is the correct link in plain text:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki...
Enjoy … and have a wonderful weekend!
-f
On Mar 6, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello social media team,
We just published a roundup of some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia on the blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/06/meet-some-women-who-contribute-to-wiki... https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/04/inspire-campaign-funds-gender-diversity/
Many thanks to Andrew, Victor, Heather, and everyone who helped write and edit this post — as well as the many profiles and videos featured in it! :)
Here are proposed social media messages for this story:
Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia -- and find out why they do it. (link) #genderdiversity
Facebook/Google+
Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia: To celebrate International Women’s Day, we've featured 11 different profiles and videos of frequent editors and community leaders. Hear their inspiring stories and find out why they keep editing. (link)
Feel free to tweak as needed.
Thanks for helping share this story with our community!
Fabrice
Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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