Hi Jane (limiting reply to gendergap list),
From the normal wiki database, I don't think that the date when a user
changed a user preference can be found on the database, it just gives you the public preferences as set at the time of running a query. It's an interesting issue, for example if we had a community drive for women to declare their gender in project preferences, the outcome might be for people to believe that the proportion of numbers of women on the project were increasing, when in reality it was just old accounts tweaking their settings...
(This is a slight tangent, but something other than statistics might come out of thinking about your case) With regard to your own account, you have had files overwritten 5 times in the last 360 days but not overwritten anyone else yourself, all of these by accounts with no gender set. Looking over all time instead gives: female-female 1 female-male 2 female-none 18 male-female 35 none-female 74
Obviously apart from the "f-f" case you can see whether you were overwriting or being overwritten. In the "f-f" case you were overwritten. 24 cases were the same declared male overwriting your images and in 30 cases the same account with no gender set (but an apparent male based on public information on their user home pages) overwrote you. Most other overwrites were one-off single incidents.
Please keep in mind that overwriting is normal and can be corrections, crops etc. as part of general healthy and productive collegiate work. Only a small proportion of the time is it part of a dispute on Commons.
Fae
On 14 August 2015 at 09:11, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting idea to measure this, but I am not sure what it means. I am a female who has overwritten many files. When I first joined up I don't think I filled in female until Sarah asked me to years later. Am I one of the 479?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for cross-posting. There may be some readers of this list that may not bother to follow the busier wikimedia-l one. :-)
I'd appreciate any thoughts and analysis, especially if there are other reports that might give an insight into whether the number mean much or not a lot...
I have pulled together the following table together for the past 360 days, counting whenever an image was reverted by someone who was not the last uploader, and then attempting to find any declared gender:
2014-2015 Commons file overwrite stats compared to gender
+---------------+----------+ | sex | count(*) | +---------------+----------+ | female-female | 1 | | female-male | 110 | | female-none | 426 | | male-female | 139 | | male-male | 1376 | | male-none | 5711 | | none-female | 479 | | none-male | 5289 | | none-none | 15716 | +---------------+----------+
Key: "none" means not set in user preferences, "female-male" means a woman has overwritten a man's file and "male-none" means a declared male has overwritten an account with no gender set.
I'd appreciate any views on whether there is any statistical meaning to be pulled from these figures, apart from showing that men probably outnumber women contributors by ten times on Commons.
If the email is displaying badly, you can find a wiki formatted table and original generating SQL on the Commons village pump[1]. I thought this would be of wider interest as though "image revert warring" is mostly an issue for Wikimedia Commons, it is a very similar area of heated disputes when compared to edit revert warring on Wikipedia projects. The question popped up from someone interested in my long running 'significant reverts' tracking report.[2]
Links:
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Does_openly_declarin...
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/SignificantReverts
Fae
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