On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
And, perhaps more importantly, I took the issue seriously and supported the creation of this list. Talking to each other is a good way to identify and resolve issues.
Fred,
You may think you took it seriously but it does not appear to be, as a female, that you did. I've seen you dominate the conversation. I've seen you make jokes about gendered language. I've seen you focus not on helping real concerns about women on the list but rather, focusing on your own concerns.
Is the point of this list: Men teaching women who already use Wikipedia how to use it better and making men feel better about the low participation rates of women? Or is the purpose about providing a platform where women have to be quiet about men saying problematic things because men might be offended?
The whole conversation about male involvement AS IT PERTAINS TO WOMEN'S NEEDS is being dominated by men WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT WOMEN ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM.
As a man, do you think that the body of your posts to this list would undergo scrutiny by women who already have issues with WMF and women? If the answer is yes, then you have a lot to learn and perhaps a list dedicated to helping improve women's participation rates on Wikipedia isn't the best place to teach you. (Because this would get in the way of the group's mission.)