Once again this is an area which needs research and numbers, starting with looking at all the complaints and even mentions of harassment at WP:ANI and WP:Arbitration for say the last 5 years. If I wasn't busy catching up on my own projects, I'd help any of the researchers who have come by here or been mentioned. Those who have more time and really care SHOULD contact these people and get them to organize just such a project. I know this is a good project because the couple times I brought it up the harassers went nuts...
Finding public complaints to admins obviously more difficult and finding private complaints nearly impossible. But ANI is a place to start.
To say that everyone who has spoken out against their own personal harassment or that against another has been indeff'd obviously is not correct.
To say that three people who engaged in Gender Gap Task Force discussions and objected strongly to the organized disruption of that group by others were indeff'd would be true. Did they sometimes over-react to some of the nonsense, harassment and false accusations made by the organized group against the task force and themselves? Yes. But those doing these things were NOT punished while those who objected were indeff'd.
That's enough for most people to think that anyone who isn't a skilled politician who never loses their temper - and who has enough support from friendly admins - WILL get indeff'd if they speak out too loud, too proud or too often...
Also, I shouldn't complain about what the harassment policy is without at least offering an alternative here... may when I catch upon my own thing and recover from burnout...
On 9/29/2015 11:57 AM, Nathan wrote:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com mailto:neotarf@gmail.com> wrote:
Could you post a link to one or two of the discussions, and how they went down? I really need to read something like that right now. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com <mailto:nawrich@gmail.com>> wrote:Hi Neotarf,
I'm not going to publicly post a list of people I know have been subject to harassment. I would say that its been a persistent complaint from most or all of the prominent female Wikipedians; if you can name a functionary, admin, arbitrator or Board member who is a woman, it is likely that she has been subject to sustained sexual harassment at some point during her Wikimedia tenure.
But you could certainly say there is some division in how victims of this type of harassment have reacted. Some small proportion have reacted in ways that contradict project policies and have had bad outcomes, but I don't think that is typical.
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