Hi Sarah,
I'm not a "functionary" so I haven't seen the evidence - clearly it convinces you, but it did not quite convince the functionaries. Reading the result and for example Yunshui's comment I would simply prefer that the record shows we were not fully convinced by the evidence, rather than that we were convinced, but chose not to act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Proposed_decision#Off-wiki_harassment_against_LightbreatherI think what we have here is more than a detail difference. If the decision had been, as reported in the Atlantic, that Arbcom had decided this *"on the grounds that it may “out” the editor that had posted the pictures, or link his username to his real name."* Then I would have supported a change in policy, or Arbcom membership, so that future Arbcoms in similar situations would be willing to risk outing someone, or just ban them without public reason, rather than leave a harasser unpunished. But if the issue is not that, but instead that the evidence was inconclusive, then I think we have a very different problem to work on. As for the broader picture I don't dispute that Wikipedia has several problems around gender, and some terrible publicity, but if one took that article at face value the obvious next step would be to get a change in policy so that if Arbcom were convinced of the evidence they could and would have acted.
On 22 October 2015 at 17:37, Sarah (SV) slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
WSC, the evidence as to who posted the porn images was, I would say, conclusive. We nevertheless ended up with a situation in which a man who had been engaged in harassment (much of which was onwiki and had been going on for about a year) was let off the hook, and the harassed woman was banned.
There was a similar situation in the GGTF case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions_at_GGTF, so the Lightbreather case was not an unfortunate one-off. For example, the man who was blocked for harassment during the Lightbreather case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather should have been blocked for it during the GGTF case, but wasn't. He only ended up being blocked during the Lightbreather case because he admitted that he had done it. Otherwise he might still be editing.
Something systemic is happening here. As a result of those cases and many other examples Wikipedia now has a terrible reputation for being sexist. (See this selection of stories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/Media_and_research.) Rather than arguing about which details various journalists got wrong, we should focus on what they got right and how we can fix it.
Sarah
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:45 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Francesca,
It seems a shame that an Arbcom case in which one person was blocked for offwiki harassment and another would have been if the evidence had been conclusive has been reported as if they'd decided instead to spare the harasser for privacy reasons.
As Thryduulf put it "there is no doubt that had we been able to conclusively connect the perpetrator to a Wikipedia account that action would have been taken (almost certainly a site ban). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Proposed_decision#Off-wiki_harassment_against_Lightbreather"
You could point her to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreat...
A story warning mysogynists that Arbcom will and has acted against those it catches would have made it easier to attract women to wikipedia and deter misogynists.
WSC
On 22 October 2015 at 12:04, Francesca Tripodi fbt8pa@virginia.edu wrote:
I was directly interviewed for this article but my contributions were scrapped. I have Emma's email and I would be happy to reach out to her if you'd like to list a set of uniform "corrections"? No guarantee she'd be able to change them but it's a start if you'd like?
Sent from my iPhone - please excuse brevity or errors.
On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
Some journos take corrections easily, and some don't. I've had people directly misquote me at major outlets where I had the call on record (with their consent, since CA is a 2 party consent state for recording calls,) and refuse to make corrections, and had other people accept my corrections at face value and put them in to place. I may not have time to do so today, but would encourage anyone interested (probably better if it's only a person or two and not a horde in this case) to contact the author of the Atlantic piece about the issues. Probably those directly interviewed by the journalist would be the best candidates to put in for a correction.
Best, Kevin Gorman
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com
wrote:
Good that this story has been told, at last. Overdue.
(Minor quibbles: Eric is not an admin, and the New York Times piece
was not
written by a NYT reporter. Corrections possible?)
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for sending this out Carol, you beat me by about two minutes. I would hugely encourage everyone to read this, and a lot of it also relates to why it's important that people vote in arbcom election,
and
we don't have arbitrators elected with 273 support votes and fewer than 600 total votes...
Best, Kevin Gorman
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http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hosti...
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