Gendergap August 2014

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Noiva do Cordeiro
by Krystle 05 Sep '14

05 Sep '14

Is this for real? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/town-entire-population-made-up-4113… And if so, should there be a Wikipedia entry about it? I started to draft one but am a little worried because there seems to be only one article about this mysterious town. Hoax, maybe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Noiva_do_Cordeiro

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Huge list of Gender Gap resources
by Carol Moore dc 31 Aug '14

31 Aug '14

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Danish seminar/workshop/edit-a-thon
by Ole Palnatoke Andersen 31 Aug '14

31 Aug '14

On October 4th, there will be a seminar at KVINFO (the Danish Centre for Gender, Equality and Ethnicity): http://kvinfo.dk/om-kvinfo/skriv-ligestilling-ind-i-wikipedia (title, translated: "write equality into Wikipedia"). Regards, Ole

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New WP: WikiProject Women writers
by Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight 31 Aug '14

31 Aug '14

I'm attending an awesome wikipedia workshop which has helped me shape some priorities, one of which was to be bold and start this project for women writers. If you have any interests in WikiProject start-ups, please jump in. There's a mountain of work to be done, and your various talents and insights and lessons-learned from previous start-ups would be appreciated. >From one woman writer to another, thanks in advance. -Rosie (Rosiestep)

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What is status of Foundation Gender Gap projects and relation to wikimedia Gender Gap project?
by Carol Moore dc 31 Aug '14

31 Aug '14

People in the know can answer when it's covenient next week, but since it's on my mind, posting now. As we write on Gender Gap Task Force main page: "In 2014 Wikipedia co-founder [[Jimmy Wales]] said the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] was "doubling down" its efforts to reach that goal and would be doing more outreach and software changes. Reference: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28701772 Wikipedia 'completely failed' to fix gender imbalance, [[BBC]] interview August 8, 2014. So info on status of interns, paid staffers working on this, volunteer efforts, etc. and their relation to the Wikimedia Gender Gap Task force would be helpful. I know Wikimedia Gender Gap project which is not very active, though sub-projects like WikiWomen's Collaborative are doing some things. Reminder of temporary address of en.Wikipedia Gender Gap Task force's big list of resources which is relevant to the above and does in fact contain links where we can infer answers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carolmooredc/My_Sandbox_1 is One reason I ask is I just put up this message at Wikimedia Gender Gap project but then started wondering about the issues above. /Should this project be listed on Outreach.wikimedia?? at //https://meta.wikimedia.org/////Talk:Gender_gap#Should_this_project_be_listed_on_Outreach.wikimedia.3F.3F// // //https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page links to GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) and Wikimedia Education Portal (re: different countries) (as well as Best Practices and Success stories). Considering women are half the human race, it seems sensible to include this project there. It probably would bring more willing volunteers to outreach in general as well. I don't see any discussion of this on this talk page and only a link to Outreach Village Pump as a "good place to discuss outreach to women." / So clarifications and updates would be great and I'm sure lots of us are interested. Thanks!! CM

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Why Women Have No Time For Wikipedia (WPO article)
by Tim Davenport 29 Aug '14

29 Aug '14

There is a new blog post up on Wikipedia-criticism site Wikipediocracy that should be of interest to this list. Andreas Kolbe with Nathalie Collida, "Why Women Have No Time For Wikipedia: Thoughts on the Online Encyclopedia's Gender Imbalance." http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/08/26/why-women-have-no-time-for-wikipedia/ One interesting assertion made by the authors in their lengthy essay is that fewer than 1 in 50 WP contributors is a mother: "It is sometimes argued that women simply have less time to contribute to Wikipedia, due to family commitments. This is a fallacy. Firstly, the United Nations University survey found <https://web.archive.org/web/20130821015449/http:/www.wikipediasurvey.org/do…> that only 33.29% of respondents had a partner, and only 14.72% had children. The difference between readers and contributors was negligible here, and the survey report did not indicate any difference in these percentages for male and female respondents. It is patently obvious that girls and women in the age groups that are most strongly represented in Wikipedia’s demographics typically do not yet have families of their own. Their lack of participation is unrelated to their being bogged down by family responsibilities. "Of course, these figures also tell us something else: if only 14.72% of contributors have children, and the percentage of female contributors lies somewhere between 8.5% and 12.64%, then it looks like only 1.25%–1.86% of Wikipedia contributors are mothers. "That is less than 1 in 50." Tim Davenport "Carrite" on WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO

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editing target: biologist emerita Annette Coleman's page
by Jodi Schneider 23 Aug '14

23 Aug '14

Here's an article that needs improvement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_W._Coleman It was created at the Brown edit-a-thon -- and could do with some expansion. -Jodi

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Re: [Gendergap] [EE] [Wikitech-l] IRC web client for Wikipedia help
by Pine W 14 Aug '14

14 Aug '14

Thanks for finding that page. I don't know how much that kind of chat system would help our editor numbers but it's worth discussing. Any comments from the Growth and EE teams? Pine On Aug 12, 2014 8:10 PM, "quiddity" <pandiculation(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The pro and cons of web-chat, and some technical options are collated at: > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Live_Chat_System > (especially the 2nd-to-last section, for "Why not IRC?") > IRC makes followup discussion, or time-delayed discussion, too difficult, > if the user doesn't use their identical username, and state their > home-wiki. Also, it shows IPs if users don't obtain a cloak first. > > However, just for informational purposes, here are links for easy > comparison: > https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/test > http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#test > ( the default client uses http://www.qwebirc.org/ ) > > HTH, > Quiddity > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we have >> plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make incremental >> improvements to their experience faster than we can build a new tool from >> scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar to texting >> and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie user >> experience. >> >> Pine >> On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan" <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the questions >>> Seb >>> poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode >>> interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not to >>> mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along the >>> lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, and >>> people >>> who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever you >>> want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EE mailing list >> EE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > EE mailing list > EE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee > >

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Easy thing that would help the en.Wiki Gender Gap Project
by Carol Moore dc 13 Aug '14

13 Aug '14

As I've mentioned, the biggest problem we're having now is male attack posts, female complaints about such attacks, generally disruptive/tendentious threads which really are driving off people who join the project, probably look at the page, and quickly leave. I started this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemi… "Hatting vs. closing vs. immediate archiving vs. indexing on subpages" It initially was responded to by all males, two of them wikihounders, one who has some odd ball agenda, and a sensible one. (There also was a discussion at another thread about the way another guy came in and hatted complaint discussions about sexism that hadn't been finished, which muddied the waters.) Sarah (SlimVirgin) suggested a 30 day archiving regime which we've had for a week or two. But I just got fed up and changed it to 15 days, but don't know how long that would last. It really would help if editors could come to the thread and tell us what they think about leaving all those disruptive posts up there as opposed to having ''active and constructive members" close/hat/archive the most problematic ones as seems sensible on a case by case basis.

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Re: [Gendergap] [Wikitech-l] [EE] IRC web client for Wikipedia help
by Pine W 13 Aug '14

13 Aug '14

That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we have plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make incremental improvements to their experience faster than we can build a new tool from scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar to texting and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie user experience. Pine On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan" <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the questions Seb > poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode > interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not to > mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along the > lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, and people > who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever you > want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat. > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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