Le 15/12/2016 à 16:51, Olatunde Isaac a écrit :
> Hi Flo,
> "I guess you have little idea how much time we spend organizing this contest to say that."
> "I guess it may not matter to you so much that the ratio Dollars Spent / Pictures Collected skyrocket."
> I understand how you felt about the situation and I do sincerely share your feelings but directing the above comment to me is ad hominem.
> I hold you in high esteem and you know I am disappointed that you have needlessly decided to make a personal remark about me.
I apology if you felt offended Isaac. I am sorry of that. I'd like to
ask you to forgive me please. Sorry.
Yes, I feel really wronged today. Maybe you do understand in truth. I am
not sure everyone does though. Probably not. And that is fine. I
Perhaps a tiny bit of background on my last comment. When we started the
photo contest back in 2014, it took us quite a lot of time and energy to
get the funding. And after the first event was done, we were given
outcome ratios of "cost invested per picture collected". And informed we
were basically having the worst rating of all photo contests so far. I
understand WMF needs figures to estimate if an event is worth investing
in or not. And a cost per picture is just one ratio amongst others that
can help answer that question. And yes, Wiki Loves Monuments ratio is
clearly way above ours. Many participants to WLM are old contributors,
photograph amators (or professionnals), when they get to a building,
they shoot it from every angle. Then, even though they select the best
pictures, that makes a fair amont of pictures in the end. And they
usually have little limitations of bandwidth to upload them. Our users
are not in the same situation for sure.
And the goal is just as much a goal of outreach and opportunity to do
things all together than it is a goal of getting pictures in the bucket.
Still, it is easier to "measure" the success of an event based on the
number of pictures and the cost/picture ratio. So yeah, this is damage.
Bad figures into Commons. Bad figures when we report at the end of the
contest. Bad figures to communicate to outsiders and community afterwards.
This is also damage when we consider the outreach and visibility. With a
banner set up at "10 views of the banner maximum"... well... at least
indeed... there will be no user fatigue ;)
We are facing unique challenges than most wikipedians can not begin to
Let me give you one example of the challenges we are facing that any
Europeans would GAP at.
We have not yet been able to send its event money to Zimbabwe.
WMF sent the money just fine. We started working on the money transfer
one month before the beginning of the contest. For most countries, it
worked fine and I guess they had time to organize.
In other countries, such as Algeria, we again had some issues to get the
money to the team because the bank was not accepting the currency. In
another, the bank itself provided an incorrect IBAN (yeah). Oh well.
But we made it.
Not for Zimbabwe... Money sent is turned back... with 10 days delays ...
completely broken monetary system. We are waiting to see what happen
with the last attempt and if again rejected, we will move into doing
through Western Union. Hoping that it will work. In Europe, a monetary
transfer would take... a couple of minutes to do and a couple of days to
be credited at most. For Zimbabwe... yuck. I do not envy them.
I think there are enough challenges, that we do not need unexpected ones
such as the site notice.
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> From: Florence Devouard<anthere(a)anthere.org>
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I got an answer
The banners set up on Dec 1 have been reduced to "minimum visibility" on
1 dec 2016 14:00, after 13 hours and 18 minutes of entering into the
This has been done by WMF staff member Seddon, with no information to us
This is not the first time this happens. A similar situation occurred
with other contests I hear and I can also add that Seddon obviously
purposely prevented the set up of the site notice requested and approved
during the destubathon.
This is plain _*sabotage*_. A complete loss of energy and time for
volunteers working on WLA contest. And a loss of money for Wikimedia
Foundation funding the contest. And a loss of money for donators as well.
The thing I do not know is whether Seddon is doing that at the personal
level for reasons I can not identify, or whether this is the result of
an explicit request from his managers.
So I will not blame Seddon by default, as he may just be doing what his
boss is telling him to do.
The only way of knowing is in raising the issue with the HR departement,
which is what I am going to do RIGHT NOW.
I will wait their answer before raising the case officially on wikimedia
mailing list but I consider this a completely unacceptable situation. It
goes without saying that our willingness to try to reach the metrics of
success described in the grant agreement is void.
Also, please help me track the log of banner visibility changes on meta
If you see anyone changing the WLA banners set up back to minimum
visibility, please send me a note.
I will track once a day myself to limit risks of further sabotage.
PS: Africa.. think of all the work we do... us... members on this
list... our dedication... to try to bridge the gap and get more africans
and Africa content on this encyclopedia.
Think... of who is deliberately sabotaging our efforts.
For what ? For which reasons ? There are no other banners currently
running above African countries. We are not preventing WMF to raise more
money. We are not damaging anyone else communication. We are not
bothering anyone. Just trying desperately to get more african
participants on this encylopedia. So why ? Why ? Why ?
Le 15/12/2016 à 10:14, Felix Nartey a écrit :
> Hi Florence,
> I recall seeing it for about a week but now its no more.
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Florence Devouard
> <anthere(a)anthere.org <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
> Hello everyone
> Wiki Loves Africa results are quite bad at the moment. Not to say
> So I started looking at what is going on.
> And I just asked Isla if she was seeing the sitenotice at the top
> of Wikipedia. And she said she saw it "from Thursday 1st to end of
> Friday 8th"
> And that's it.
> Well, we are SUPPOSED to have a site notice. But I can not see
> that myself. I have no means to know whether there is a site
> notice or not at all. So I need your help to know what you guys see.
> Can you relay that info ? Thanks
Wiki Loves Africa results are quite bad at the moment. Not to say awful.
So I started looking at what is going on.
And I just asked Isla if she was seeing the sitenotice at the top of
Wikipedia. And she said she saw it "from Thursday 1st to end of Friday 8th"
And that's it.
Well, we are SUPPOSED to have a site notice. But I can not see that
myself. I have no means to know whether there is a site notice or not at
all. So I need your help to know what you guys see.
Can you relay that info ? Thanks
On Dec 12, 2016 7:26 PM, "Isla Haddow Flood" <isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org>
Me again … please ignore all previous emails …
if you support this project, please retweet the following link:
If you wish to add something in support, please remember to include
#innovateafrica and @wikiloveswomen
thanks so much!!
On 12 Dec 2016, at 7:08 PM, Isla Haddow Flood <isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org>
We have applied for phase 2 funding for Wiki Loves Women from the recent
innovateAFRICA call. They need to see that the community and its partners
endorse the project. If you would like to support Wiki Loves Women in its
second phase, Florence and I would be grateful if you could please retweet
our tweet *including the #innovateAFRICA* hashtag so that they can track
Here is the link to the tweet:
Thanks so much!!
African-Wikimedians mailing list
This is NOT working.
Call me Twitter illiterate (apparently I am) but... when you simply
retweet our original tweet, it does NOT populate the #innovateAFRICA
And if I answer your tweets, or quote them, it only refers to the
original tweet, not to you.
So, it does not show your support in the #innovateAFRICA column.
The ONLY way you can show us support is by writing your own words
apparently (I mean... you can do a copy and paste of our message... but
it must not be a retweet).
This is freaking ridiculous. But please help in WRITING YOUR OWN SUPPORT
message or in QUOTING ours.
Always including @wikiloveswomen and #innnovateAFRICA
(the always learning) Anthere
LINK : https://twitter.com/WikiLovesWomen/status/808371122672730112
Le 12/12/2016 à 18:08, Isla Haddow Flood a écrit :
> We have applied for phase 2 funding for Wiki Loves Women from the
> recent innovateAFRICA call. They need to see that the community and
> its partners endorse the project. If you would like to support Wiki
> Loves Women in its second phase, Florence and I would be grateful if
> you could please retweet our tweet *including the #innovateAFRICA*
> hashtag so that they can track it.
> Here is the link to the tweet:
> Thanks so much!!
> *Isla Haddow-Flood*
> Co-project Manager
> Username: Islahaddow
We deleted the link to AVOID people retweeting, rather to let them
express their own creativity :)))
Le 12/12/2016 à 19:41, Emna Mizouni a écrit :
> Hi again,
> Please ignore my email. I found it and retweeted!
> 2016-12-12 19:39 GMT+01:00 Emna Mizouni <emna.mizouni(a)gmail.com
> Hi Isla,
> I couldn't retweet, the link doesn't work!
> 2016-12-12 19:16 GMT+01:00 Isla Haddow Flood
> <isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org <mailto:email@example.com>>:
> Dear All
> It seems that I have made a monumental and embarrassing
> mistake. If you do indeed support this idea, please could you
> endorse the second media phase of Wiki Loves Women by writing
> a quick tweet as an endorsement with the hashtags
> #innovateAFRICA and #WikiLovesWomen within your endorsement.
> Unfortunately and sadly, a simple retweet will not help!
> Thank you so much to those who have already re-tweeted, and
> many apologies for this silly confusion about how Twitter works.
> warmest regards
>> On 12 Dec 2016, at 7:08 PM, Isla Haddow Flood
>> <isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
>> We have applied for phase 2 funding for Wiki Loves Women from
>> the recent innovateAFRICA call. They need to see that the
>> community and its partners endorse the project. If you would
>> like to support Wiki Loves Women in its second phase,
>> Florence and I would be grateful if you could please retweet
>> our tweet *including the #innovateAFRICA* hashtag so that
>> they can track it.
>> Here is the link to the tweet:
>> Thanks so much!!
>> *Isla Haddow-Flood*
>> Co-project Manager
>> Username: Islahaddow
> *Isla Haddow-Flood*
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> Just retweeted.
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Isla Haddow Flood <
> > Hello!
> > We have applied for phase 2 funding for Wiki Loves Women from the recent
> > innovateAFRICA call. They need to see that the community and its partners
> > endorse the project. If you would like to support Wiki Loves Women in its
> > second phase, Florence and I would be grateful if you could please
> > our tweet *including the #innovateAFRICA* hashtag so that they can track
> > it.
> > Here is the link to the tweet:
> > https://twitter.com/WikiLovesWomen/status/808350142164299777
> > Thanks so much!!
> > warmest
> > Isla
> > *Isla Haddow-Flood*
> > Co-project Manager
> > Username: Islahaddow
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We are Iberocoop <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iberocoop:Portada/es>,
the ibero american network of chapters and user groups. Since 2015 , we are
launching an editing contest during the month of the woman.
The edition contest is known in Spanish as “La mujer que nunca conociste” in
english "The Woman You Never meet". In 2015, 364 new articles were created,
a figure multiplied by 4 in 2016, with 1264 new articles. This year 2017,
we want the proposal to have global reach! To do this, we would like to
invite all chapters and users groups to adapt and promote the contest to
their local contexts.
We are starting to work to have everything needed prepared to organize this
year's contest: logo, rules for editing including the gender perspective
and we can even think about awarding prizes internationally!.
But for this to happen we need to know who would be interested in pushing
The competition will take place from March 4 to April 9, 2017 and its main
objectives will be:
1. Improve women's content on Wikipedia: not just women's articles, but
organizations, feminist movements, etc.
2. Inviting editing with a gender perspective: make Wikipedia a more
3. Involve more female as editors in Wikipedia, as well as in the Wikimedia
community: complement the contest with editing workshops with feminist or
groups of women, in each country, to favor their inclusion as editors and
community members, for example.
What do you think?Is this something people would be interested in and like
If the answer is yes (hopefully!) let us now your interest in the
We thank you in advance for the time you can take on this matter.
Anna Torres Adell
*A.C. Wikimedia Argentina*