I think there could be at least a few sessions in French, during the North American sessions and/or if there is a Francophone language track during the pre-conference.
Similarly, there could be sessions in Spanish during North American and/or Iberocoop pre-conference sessions.
Pine
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
*Lodewijk said: Now I *do* see an added value for a French language
track... *
About that: There will be tracks in French? Quebec being a French speaking province and all...
*Béria L. de Rodríguez*
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2016-07-06 14:33 GMT-03:00 Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com:
None! We'd want as many Europeans, Asians, Africans, and South Americans as are interested to join the North American regional planning meetups.
Thanks, Pharos
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Still I wonder: what would be the kind of topics you'd like to schedule there that you would /not/ want non-North Americans to participate in?
Lodewijk
2016-07-06 19:28 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com:
As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at Wikimanina 2017.
Sydney
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded preconference with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate track during the actual Wikimania.
Thanks, Pharos
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule for meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- including those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things.
We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think we can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it in the past).
(Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get rid of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just have panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the schedule! :)
-- Phoebe
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
> Hi Pine, > > Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is > co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the main > conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and > WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the last > couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is concerned > about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can > benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of scheduling > events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not > scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North America > and the other a general/global event. > > This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the > cost and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for you > to consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America. > > Best, > Leila > > Leila Zia > Research Scientist > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk < > lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > >> Hi Pine, >> >> Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify >> a topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North American >> WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the programme >> at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And whatever >> you do, it will be. >> >> The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special >> 'track' beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly formal and >> separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, and I >> wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' etc. >> Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, >> Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. >> >> Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping >> topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North >> Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the opposite is >> true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations >> (which I also think would be quite untrue). >> >> The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan >> of rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, unless you >> have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have >> three presentations about education grouped together where they come from >> different regions, with different approaches than to have three >> presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped together. >> I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a region - >> and it would be without precedent (I think). >> >> Best, >> Lodewijk >> >> 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com: >> >>> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including >>> French and Spanish). >>> >>> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >>> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >>> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >>> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, research, >>> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and governance come >>> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively co-locating >>> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a net >>> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would otherwise >>> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could instead >>> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in Montreal, >>> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at Wikimania, >>> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and venue >>> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >>> >>> Pine >>> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey pine, >>>> >>>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence >>>> of regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>>> Wikimania is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's in >>>> Europe, more Europeans. >>>> >>>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) type-of-session >>>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a discussion >>>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, with >>>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>>> >>>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American >>>> regional and local subjects' would require such track and even more why it >>>> would require a special committee. It will find its way in the programme, >>>> and it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why try to >>>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big fan of >>>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves too >>>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and get >>>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>>> >>>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but >>>> I guess that'll be of little use to you. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Lodewijk >>>> >>>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com: >>>> >>>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in >>>>> particular), >>>>> >>>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. This >>>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in terms of >>>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate conferences. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated to North >>>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a dedicated >>>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in attendance >>>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we can make >>>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>>> >>>>> Pine >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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