Wily D schrieb:
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
Wily D schrieb:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
Wily D schrieb:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
How about WP:BLOCK? "Administrators must not block users with whom they are engaged in a content dispute."
Is it still "correct action" if they do?
One, of course, still has the legs of IAR, the general principle of "no lawyering" and so forth to stand on from time to time, but in general no. Of course "content dispute" is a nebulous term, and oft times overly broadly defined by those who're misbehaving - if you removing trolling, for instance, the person trolling will inevitably claim they're in a content dispute with you, which is simply not true.
But if they make a correct block in that situation, what is it you're hoping someone else would do? Unblock then reblock? In an "all volunteer" justice system, it's hard to get people roused about technicalities when justive has been done.
You don't even consider, that an admin might do wrong, do you? Don't you think, that it's pretty easy to abuse your power, when you are judge and executor at the same time? What prevents you from calling all your opponents in content disputes wiki-lawyering trolls?
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Nothing prevents me from making ad-hominem arguments in content disputes. Of course, that's a terrible method and I'd likely lose such a dispute, but I could do it, same as anyone from the lowliest IP to Jimbo Wales.
Yes, everybody can make ad-hominem arguments in content disputes, but only admins can use those attacks to evade [[WP:BLOCK]] as you suggested in your previous email.
Ad hominem arguments don't help you block anyone. There's a little link that says "block" that lets you do it - and you don't need any argument at all. But without a (community accepted) basis, it's unlikely to stand against a user who contests it civilly. The unblock mailing list, for instance, a single admin really can't control, and will investigate blocks of people who ask civilly (although I suspect the "Subject:ZOMG FUCKING CABAL!!!!1cos(0)!!!" emails don't get a fair shake).
The "community" isn't even involved in the admin-only unblock mailing list. There is no public supervision possible at all!