Wily D schrieb:
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Raphael Wegmann
> Wily D schrieb:
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Raphael Wegmann <raphael(a)psi.co.at>
> >> Wily D schrieb:
> >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Raphael Wegmann
> >> >> How about WP:BLOCK?
> >> >> "Administrators must not block users with whom they are
engaged in a
> >> >> content dispute."
> >> >>
> >> >> Is it still "correct action" if they do?
> >> >>
> >> > One, of course, still has the legs of IAR, the general principle of
> >> > "no lawyering" and so forth to stand on from time to time,
> >> > general no. Of course "content dispute" is a nebulous
term, and oft
> >> > times overly broadly defined by those who're misbehaving - if
> >> > removing trolling, for instance, the person trolling will inevitably
> >> > claim they're in a content dispute with you, which is simply not
> >> >
> >> > But if they make a correct block in that situation, what is it
> >> > hoping someone else would do? Unblock then reblock? In an
> >> > volunteer" justice system, it's hard to get people roused
> >> > technicalities when justive has been done.
> >> >
> >> You don't even consider, that an admin might do wrong, do you?
> >> Don't you think, that it's pretty easy to abuse your power,
> >> when you are judge and executor at the same time?
> >> What prevents you from calling all your opponents in content
> >> disputes wiki-lawyering trolls?
Nothing prevents me from making ad-hominem arguments
disputes. Of course, that's a terrible method and I'd likely lose
such a dispute, but I could do it, same as anyone from the lowliest IP
to Jimbo Wales.
Yes, everybody can make ad-hominem arguments in content disputes,
but only admins can use those attacks to evade [[WP:BLOCK]]
as you suggested in your previous email.
Ad hominem arguments don't help you block anyone. There's a little
link that says "block" that lets you do it - and you don't need any
argument at all. But without a (community accepted) basis, it's
unlikely to stand against a user who contests it civilly. The unblock
mailing list, for instance, a single admin really can't control, and
will investigate blocks of people who ask civilly (although I suspect
the "Subject:ZOMG FUCKING CABAL!!!!1cos(0)!!!" emails don't get a fair
The "community" isn't even involved in the admin-only unblock mailing
list. There is no public supervision possible at all!