On 10/20/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/19/06, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote: [snip]
Some of the reactions in this thread to this mistake are way over the top, IMO, we should not be holding our editors to unreasonably strict standards of perfection. This was an "oops, should have read that more carefully" situation, not a "what kind of brainless moron would do such a thing!?" situation.
The first post in the thread made it clear that its intent was not to single out that particular edit, but rather criticize a class of behaviors.
Yes, it's possible that the person in this case read the text and missed it. Although its unlikely, since the text itself made it clear that it was an unsourced/unsubstianted rumor.
I'm not, nor was uninvited primarily complaining about random mistakes, rather we were complaining about a systematic failure.
As such there is no attempt being made to hold our editors to any real standard, beyond simply taking the most minimal steps necessary to ensure that they will not fail to do the right thing every single time something in the form of a compound vandalism occurs.
So you'll have to pardon me for my "over the top" reply when I see people suggesting that simply reading the screen is too difficult for our editors.
Nobody seemed to care at all when I brought up obvious vandalism that had been restored by FreakofNurture ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kakashi_Hatake&diff=79744377&a...) who was obviously hunting a user that I still consider fraudulently banned after they were obviously wikistalked and harassed.
In fact, nobody cares at all when accusations of "sockpuppet" are thrown around freely by our POV crusaders, or when "vandal fighters" take arbitrary and over the top actions without the slightest regard for AGF or civility.
At least, that's how it seems. Right now, I've watched as over half the participants on this thread are trying to defend an absolutely indefensible refusal by an admin to contact a user who has an issue with an article and find out what the real problem is, a refusal to even leave a warning message or better yet the NEW USER WELCOME MESSAGE.
So yeah. We have systemic problems. All over the place. But by bringing them up, I was labeled a "troll" by some personalities on this list, and told by two people in private emails to "well fuck off if you're leaving then."
That's why I said we've broken wikipedia. I meant it.
Parker