On 10/20/06, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/19/06, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
Some of the reactions in this thread to this
mistake are way over the
top, IMO, we should not be holding our editors to unreasonably strict
standards of perfection. This was an "oops, should have read that more
carefully" situation, not a "what kind of brainless moron would do such
a thing!?" situation.
The first post in the thread made it clear that its intent was not to
single out that particular edit, but rather criticize a class of
Yes, it's possible that the person in this case read the text and
missed it. Although its unlikely, since the text itself made it clear
that it was an unsourced/unsubstianted rumor.
I'm not, nor was uninvited primarily complaining about random
mistakes, rather we were complaining about a systematic failure.
As such there is no attempt being made to hold our editors to any real
standard, beyond simply taking the most minimal steps necessary to
ensure that they will not fail to do the right thing every single time
something in the form of a compound vandalism occurs.
So you'll have to pardon me for my "over the top" reply when I see
people suggesting that simply reading the screen is too difficult for
Nobody seemed to care at all when I brought up obvious vandalism that had
been restored by FreakofNurture (
who was obviously hunting a user that I still consider fraudulently banned
after they were obviously wikistalked and harassed.
In fact, nobody cares at all when accusations of "sockpuppet" are thrown
around freely by our POV crusaders, or when "vandal fighters" take arbitrary
and over the top actions without the slightest regard for AGF or civility.
At least, that's how it seems. Right now, I've watched as over half the
participants on this thread are trying to defend an absolutely indefensible
refusal by an admin to contact a user who has an issue with an article and
find out what the real problem is, a refusal to even leave a warning message
or better yet the NEW USER WELCOME MESSAGE.
So yeah. We have systemic problems. All over the place. But by bringing them
up, I was labeled a "troll" by some personalities on this list, and told by
two people in private emails to "well fuck off if you're leaving then."
That's why I said we've broken wikipedia. I meant it.