*stomp*, *stomp*, *stomp*
I see what you mean, but my idea does have the advantage that it, unlike a PROD, doesn't take 5 days, and doesn't necessarily allow the creator to waste everybody's time with an AfD. Just to clarify, my proposal is to delete first, undelete to userspace and get suppord from good-standing editors later.
To James: OK, so imagine the system gets gamed. There's an AfD. Not a huge problem. In any case, AfD is probably the right result if five experienced editors support keeping.
On 26/12/06, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
Not to mention it could easily get gamed -- imagine if there's five people interested in some band from Deluth no one cares about, except those five people that manage to get the article saved (at least from speedy deletion). System gamed.
We should do what we already do -- speedy delete those that fail to even assert notability, and PROD those that are non-notable despite assertion. If the PROD is removed, then AFD is necessary simply because it makes us look good. Assume good faith across the board.
On 12/26/06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me that CSD A7 (the no assertion of notability one) is grossly overused by many people, including me. Most editors simply use it as though it read "blatantly non-notable", and while this is probably a good thing (it prevents a vast waste of time at AfD), it seems somewhat dishonest. Would it not be better, therefore, either to alter it so that it did read like that, or to add another criterion for people to use instead? I would suggest that a possibly way of determining "gross non-notability" would be to say that if the creator is unable to pursuade, say, four or five editors in good standing (>50-100 edits, no blocks in the last week or so) to vouch for the article, it can be speedied. The only real disadvantage I see in this is that it could create a somewhat cliqueish appearance to new users.
What do people think?
I agree, A7 is often misused. I think cases of articles that assert an obviously invalid reason for notability should go through PROD. Your idea would be more complicated for no good reason. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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