*stomp*, *stomp*, *stomp*
I see what you mean, but my idea does have the advantage that it,
unlike a PROD, doesn't take 5 days, and doesn't necessarily allow the
creator to waste everybody's time with an AfD. Just to clarify, my
proposal is to delete first, undelete to userspace and get suppord
from good-standing editors later.
To James: OK, so imagine the system gets gamed. There's an AfD. Not
a huge problem. In any case, AfD is probably the right result if five
experienced editors support keeping.
On 26/12/06, James Hare <messedrocker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention it could easily get gamed -- imagine if
there's five people
interested in some band from Deluth no one cares about, except those five
people that manage to get the article saved (at least from speedy deletion).
System gamed.
We should do what we already do -- speedy delete those that fail to even
assert notability, and PROD those that are non-notable despite assertion. If
the PROD is removed, then AFD is necessary simply because it makes us look
good. Assume good faith across the board.
On 12/26/06, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It seems to me that CSD A7 (the no assertion of
notability one) is
grossly overused by many people, including me. Most editors simply
use it as though it read "blatantly non-notable", and while this is
probably a good thing (it prevents a vast waste of time at AfD), it
seems somewhat dishonest. Would it not be better, therefore, either
to alter it so that it did read like that, or to add another criterion
for people to use instead? I would suggest that a possibly way of
determining "gross non-notability" would be to say that if the creator
is unable to pursuade, say, four or five editors in good standing
(>50-100 edits, no blocks in the last week or so) to vouch for the
article, it can be speedied. The only real disadvantage I see in this
is that it could create a somewhat cliqueish appearance to new users.
What do people think?
I agree, A7 is often misused. I think cases of articles that assert an
obviously invalid reason for notability should go through PROD. Your
idea would be more complicated for no good reason.
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